WTF? Are these people crazy? No fishing allowed?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by HozayBuck, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. HozayBuck

    HozayBuck Well-Known Member


    Updated: March 9, 2010, 1:59 PM ET
    Culled out

    Obama administration will accept no more public input for federal fishery strategy

    By Robert Montgomery

    The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.
    Click the image to open in full size. AP/Luis M. AlvarezOne sign at the United We Fish rally at the Capital summed up the feelings of recreational and commercial fishermen.

    This announcement comes at the time when the situation supposedly still is "fluid" and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force still hasn't issued its final report on zoning uses of these waters.

    That's a disappointment, but not really a surprise for fishing industry insiders who have negotiated for months with officials at the Council on Environmental Quality and bureaucrats on the task force. These angling advocates have come to suspect that public input into the process was a charade from the beginning.

    "When the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) completed their successful campaign to convince the Ontario government to end one of the best scientifically managed big game hunts in North America (spring bear), the results of their agenda had severe economic impacts on small family businesses and the tourism economy of communities across northern and central Ontario," said Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs for Shimano.

    "Now we see NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) and the administration planning the future of recreational fishing access in America based on a similar agenda of these same groups and other Big Green anti-use organizations, through an Executive Order by the President. The current U.S. direction with fishing is a direct parallel to what happened in Canada with hunting: The negative economic impacts on hard working American families and small businesses are being ignored.
    "In spite of what we hear daily in the press about the President's concern for jobs and the economy and contrary to what he stated in the June order creating this process, we have seen no evidence from NOAA or the task force that recreational fishing and related jobs are receiving any priority."

    Consequently, unless anglers speak up and convince their Congressional representatives to stop this bureaucratic freight train, it appears that the task force will issue a final report for "marine spatial planning" by late March, with President Barack Obama then issuing an Executive Order to implement its recommendations — whatever they may be.

    Led by NOAA's Jane Lubchenco, the task force has shown no overt dislike of recreational angling, but its indifference to the economic, social and biological value of the sport has been deafening.

    Additionally, Lubchenco and others in the administration have close ties to environmental groups who would like nothing better than to ban recreational angling. And evidence suggests that these organizations have been the engine behind the task force since before Obama issued a memo creating it last June.

    As ESPN previously reported, WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and others produced a document entitled "Transition Green" shortly after Obama was elected in 2008. What has happened since suggests that the task force has been in lockstep with that position paper.
    Then in late summer, just after he created the task fo
    rce, these groups produced "Recommendations for the Adoption and Implementation of an Oceans, Coasts, and Great Lakes National Policy." This document makes repeated references to "overfishing," but doesn't once reference recreational angling, its importance, and its benefits, both to participants and the resource.

    Additionally, some of these same organizations have revealed their anti-fishing bias by playing fast and loose with "facts," in attempts to ban tackle containing lead in the United States and Canada.
    That same tunnel vision, in which recreational angling and commercial fishing are indiscriminately lumped together as harmful to the resource, has persisted with the task force, despite protests by the angling industry.

    As more evidence of collusion, the green groups began clamoring for an Executive Order to implement the task force's recommendations even before the public comment period ended in February. Fishing advocates had no idea that this was coming.

    Perhaps not so coincidentally, the New York Times reported on Feb. 12 that "President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities."

    Morlock fears that "what we're seeing coming at us is an attempted dismantling of the science-based fish and wildlife model that has served us so well. There's no basis in science for the agendas of these groups who are trying to push the public out of being able to fish and recreate.

    "Conflicts (user) are overstated and problems are manufactured. It's all just an excuse to put us off the water."

    In the wake of the task force's framework document, the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation (CSF) and its partners in the U.S. Recreational Fishing & Boating Coalition against voiced their concerns to the administration.

    "Some of the potential policy implications of this interim framework have the potential to be a real threat to recreational anglers who not only contribute billions of dollars to the economy and millions of dollars in tax revenues to support fisheries conservation, but who are also the backbone of the American fish and wildlife conservation ethic," said CSF President Jeff Crane.

    Morlock, a member of the CSF board, added, "There are over one million jobs in America supported coast to coast by recreational fishing. The task force has not included any accountability requirements in their reports for evaluating or mitigating how the new policies they are drafting will impact the fishing industry or related economies.

    "Given that the scope of this process appears to include a new set of policies for all coastal and inland waters of the United States, the omission of economic considerations is inexcusable."

    This is not the only access issue threatening the public's right to fish, but it definitely is the most serious, according to Chris Horton, national conservation director for BASS.

    "With what's being created, the same principles could apply inland as apply to the oceans," he said. "Under the guise of 'marine spatial planning' entire watersheds could be shut down, even 2,000 miles up a river drainage from the ocean.

    "Every angler needs to be aware because if it's not happening in your backyard today or tomorrow, it will be eventually.
    "We have one of the largest voting blocks in the country and we need to use it. We must not sit idly by."

    "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
    -Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes,
    written Supreme Court opinion on their decision upholding forced sterization laws.
  2. Nina9mm

    Nina9mm Member

    Another power-grab by the Obummer administration, and a not-so-subtle grab for even more control of the food supply.

  3. kyfarmer

    kyfarmer Well-Known Member

    This crap is getting sicking. Assualting our right's from all side's it will not stop till the scum has been cleaned outa our gov. If you have never voted ya better get off your arse. Maybe the last chance we have to use it or loose it. In frankfort ky. a lady just testified that she was shown how to fix the new voting booth's to favor someone picked. I,am ashamed of the crooked bunch of scum we have in our local and state gov. I have alway's voted and alway's will, no matter if i feel it does no good. Agian ues it or loose it.
  4. pdx210

    pdx210 Well-Known Member

    remember his victory speech...yes, we can!

    take freedoms from citizens...yes, we can!

    deficit spend into oblivion.... yes, we can!

    laws to monitor citizens........yes, we can!

    We allowed this to happen, we have let government get too big, too powerful they should be fearful and subservient to us not the other way around.
  5. mosquitomountainman

    mosquitomountainman I invented the internet. :rofl:

    Here in Montana when we licensd our 12 ft aluminum boat and trolling motor we learned that even though we have a lifetime registration we have to get a new sticker every year because of US Coast Guard regulations. Seems that since Lake Koocanusa extends into Canada it's classed as international waters and comes under the Coast Guard's jurisdiction. Wonder what effect that will have once the UN gains control of the US government?
  6. truthfulwon

    truthfulwon Junior Member

    He also said Change (Chains has come)has come. People heard only what they wanted to hear! Yes,we can. Meant the shadow government could do anything they wanted. Yes, we can. People kept chanting not realizing they were lambs being led to the slaughter! Some people are slowly waking up. Chains has come! People didn't realize what this meant. The New world order is here. And the government owns everything and everyone. Chains has come it only a matter of time before you are embedded with a micro chip. Need I say more.
  7. AlterCow

    AlterCow The Silver Cow

    Start growing your own food and locating wild foods that are local to your home. The farce that gets crammed down our throats is the Earth is overpopulated and in this case overfished. Both are utter crap. There is overfishing being exercised, but not in all cases. There is a lot of waste in commercial fishing, but that does not echo to those whom fish inland or simpley fish for their own consumption. This is another action to keep people from being self sufficient/reliant.

    As I know we get only a focus on some bills that are being pushed through Congress (healthcare reform) other bills sneak by with little to no attention given in the news. This is not by mistake. It is a shell game that done to keep people focused on what's going on over here and not over there. While we all worry whether or not Gov Healthcare is passed other bills get by and we are left to go WTF as our hindsight becomes 20/20.
  8. NaeKid

    NaeKid YourAdministrator, eh?

    KooCanUsa = Kootenay's, Canada, USA ... a fun place to play. Meet-cha on the border?
  9. bunkerbob

    bunkerbob Supporting Member

    My cow Sally and I are slightly disturbed by your avatar.:D
  10. AlterCow

    AlterCow The Silver Cow

    It's just me in my bunker. ;)
  11. TimB

    TimB Member

    They can have my fishing pole when they pry it from my cold, dead hand. :D

  12. *Andi

    *Andi Supporting Member

    I'm with Tim! LOL

    I wonder how I will like living on the other side of the "law"! :scratch
  13. sailaway

    sailaway Well-Known Member

    Yes! They are crazy!
  14. NORTH

    NORTH Active Member

    So if this crap becomes reality it would be a FELONY to catch a crappie??!!
  15. lhalfcent

    lhalfcent Supporting Member


    A crappie felony? ROFL
    Walleye be darned.....

  16. HozayBuck

    HozayBuck Well-Known Member

    One good thing aboor gun owners and figure they ain't got a dog in the gun control fight are suddenly finding their oxen is being gored !!

    Just a bit more stuff pulling us all into the same box!! and I see as a good thing...
  17. EMH1701

    EMH1701 New Member

    Minnesotans would never go for it.
  18. kyfarmer

    kyfarmer Well-Known Member

    I have said for years if all sportsman did not stick together and quick bickering they don't like this or that in someone's other sport we will loose it all. The time is here our hunting, fishing, trapping it's all going and soon. What do ya know if there is no hunting, you have no right to have a gun of any type. You don't need it any more. Yep they have a lot bigger agenda than save the stupid little minnow so several million acres of farmland can lay dry as a bone, after all who need's to feed the nation when our number's are going to be cut down. New health care get old or kinda old and die quick as ya can. Make room for someone who can put more into the new system. Welcome to the start of the new world order. We Americans if we fold under this attack of our freedom's and our way of life. We are all that stand's in the way of the total control of it all. Fishing, such a little thing to loose to someone who never does it. Ya reckon. :mad:
  19. lhalfcent

    lhalfcent Supporting Member

    I saw a beautiful group of turkey's the other day and thought of the possibility of it being illegal to hunt. in hard times that group of turkeys would feed so many families. It would be a shame if the ability to feed your family in this way was outlawed.
  20. Al-Thi'b

    Al-Thi'b مسلم Member

    What about water like fishing ponds on private properties? :dunno: