Who wants a Santa-free Christmas?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by *Andi, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. *Andi

    *Andi Supporting Member

    What no Ho Ho :eek:

    Now in my family we hit it all ... Ho Ho (Santa), St Nicolas and then we toss in Yule. ;) Why leave one out when you can have them ... all.

    BERLIN (Reuters) – A group of German Catholics wants to do away with Santa Claus because of the fictional figure's commercial hype and replace him with St Nicolas and the selfless giving they say he represents.

    Even before shops fill with Santa-themed goodies, the Bonifatiuswerk of German Catholics -- a Catholic aid organization -- has begun calling for "Santa Claus-free zones."
    More here...

    Who wants a Santa-free Christmas? - Yahoo! News
  2. gypsysue

    gypsysue The wanderer

    I think commercialism would take over a "St. Nicolas"-cenetered Christmas eventually too. Christmas with "Santa Claus" didn't start out the way it is now, either!

    Jeez...why do people think they have to keep changing everything? I'm sick of "updates" to everything in my life!

  3. twiggie

    twiggie The end is extremely nigh

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  4. *Andi

    *Andi Supporting Member

    Santa Claus a pagan? Say it is not so... lol

    Very cute song :D, can't wait to show it to my daughter.;)

    In my family ... we have crossed the guard... so to speak. We all now understand that while we may look at Christmas from different eyes... We are together and we love one another.

    So let it be Santa, St. Nicolas or Yule... As long as we are together ... :D (and as my grandbabies will add, "Is that my present?":D)
  5. OldCootHillbilly

    OldCootHillbilly Reverend Coot

    Nope ain't happenin here. I play santa fer my wifes residents an we make a stop at the ped ward in the hospital an then stop inta McDonalds.

    We give small things an spend quality time with the youngins, Christmas dosen't have to be about what ya get, but what ya give an spendin that quality time with family an friends. That's what we teach.

    St. Nicholas is but one derivative a Santa Clause, it simply is a german version there of.

    Leave Christmas alone already!
  6. PS360

    PS360 Well-Known Member

    Santa don't bother me. :D
  7. mmszbi

    mmszbi Junior Member

    I just hate the commercialism of the Christmas Holiday. Anymore, when we gift to our kids, its practical things, a new rifle, clothes, things they can use.
    Gifts to relatives have become our specialty canned goods, jams, jellies, salsa, etc. BTW, they are also relatives favorite gifts to receive!
    All times of the year are for family, togetherness, the Christmas holiday just seems to be more special, a time to reflect on family and the bounties we have enjoyed. I guess that kinda covers Thanksgiving too...:p
  8. sailaway

    sailaway Well-Known Member

    I'd rather be talking to my higher power Christmas Day and I enjoy home made gifts the most.:cool: If you live near Berlin Ohio and you want a Santa Free Christmas Season, go there. The night the Christmas Season begins there is absolutely no santa in the parade and all of the carols are Christian. :2thumb: As for the Germans and the rest of the world Ruprect needs to come aand beat most of them with a stick.:beercheer:
  9. gypsysue

    gypsysue The wanderer

    I love homemade gifts. If someone takes the time these days to make you something, you really HAVE something. And you have the part of them that cared enough to make it.

    It's easy for people to go out and buy something, even just to "have something" to give you. Often the only thought that goes into that is "I gotta have a gift for *insert name*. Hmmm...oh, this would do".

    So I really appreciate the time, effort, and caring that goes into something homemade. Even if it's just a jar of something out of a batch of whatever someone canned, or hot pads they made out of scrap material, whatever.

    I'll give you all my address... :D
  10. Lonewufcry

    Lonewufcry Lonewufcry

    Ok its totally different then when it first started, but if in your own heart you can remember the real meaning of christmas then whats the problem. Either way corruption will continue untill the last breath taken. someone will always be offended and someone will always feel negelected or miss understood. IMO
  11. OldCootHillbilly

    OldCootHillbilly Reverend Coot

    Often times what we give is somethin that person really needs, be it store bought er hand made. The folks who we know er havin a tough go of it get food items, more then they need fer just one meal so they can streatch it out a bit.

    Christmas comes from the heart, not the store. Hey, I like the grinch!:D

    I know when Santa makes his appearence at the care facility an the hospital, lots a faces light up, young an old! That alone should be reason enough ta leave the mysteries a Santa alone.
  12. mmszbi

    mmszbi Junior Member

    You nailed it!
  13. gypsysue

    gypsysue The wanderer

    Well, if someone is buying me something I really need, or something they know I would really appreciate having, then I know there was care and love put into that decision.

    Too many times, though, I've shopped with friends who had a list that they described as "the people I have to buy something for", and in the stores they'd pick something up and say "Oh, this is a good bargain, let's see, who on my list can I give this to?"

    Their attitude was of filling an obligation. And that's sad. That's not the idea behind Christmas, regardless of whether Christmas is a Holy holiday for you or not.

    And yes, even people who don't center their Christmas on a religious belief should participate in a holiday that emphasizes sharing, caring, and doing for others. If they're encouraged on those premises, they may be open to the religious message you have. Show by examply, not by pounding theology into them!
  14. *Andi

    *Andi Supporting Member

    That would be nice but I for the most part don't see it happening ... Last year we have a "big ta do" in the area over someone at a store telling a customer to have a "Merry Christmas"...

    It was in the newspaper, local tv and local forum ...:eek: ... I thought someome had pulled a gun and shot someone ... by the way some were acting! :scratch

    For me - I could care less if someone said, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Christmas or Have a nice day ...

    But for some ... they will not let it go without a fight.

    Sad but in MHO true ...
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  15. greeott

    greeott New Member

    HI , I don't care for Santa, but love the gifts too that are homemade. I make home made gifts, from home brew vanilla, to canned soups, or bath salts. I guess I love the idea that someone is making something expecially for me with there own hands, it is special. :)
  16. *Andi

    *Andi Supporting Member

    First Welcome ... Second I also love gifts made at home (and IMO from the heart :))
  17. Asatrur

    Asatrur Well-Known Member

    The 12 days of Yule

    We honor the 12 days of Yule at our Heathen home. Here is breakdown of what each day means to Heathens

    1st day of Yule – Mother’s Night
    Mother's Night welcomes in the Season of Yule. As we encourage the return of Sunna (the feminine aspect of the Sun) we honor the feminine all around us. ...Honor the Idises, Asynjor, all Mothers, Great Grandmothers and your feminine ancestors. Raise a horn to the glorious women who give birth to us and to the feminine spirits that support us. Give this time in honor to all Mothering aspects.

    2nd Day of Yule – The Winter Solstice
    The Winter Solstice represents the shortest day and the longest night. From this day onward Sunna gains strength and eventually breaks winter's spell. Celebrate Sunna's return and the fertility she brings!

    3rd Day of Yule – Remembering the Noble Virtue of Courage
    Courage is definitely an attitude of boldness, however, not the absence of fear. Courage is the carrying in spite of your fear. It is courage that allows us to live life in such a manner that we can be proud.

    4th Day of Yule – Remembering the Noble Virtue of Truth
    Truth is as relative as the individual. What one person or group finds to be the Truth, another finds to be ridiculous. There is no universal truth. There is no one-way or right way of seeing things. What we accept as truth is merely that; our truth. No one person or group has the right to dictate their truth on anyone. Search for your own truth.

    5th Day of Yule – Remembering the Noble Virtue of Honor
    Honor is the ability to hold your head high in all situations. We set standards for ourselves and live according to those standards. We are not encouraged to set low standards, rather, set high standards and work toward them continually, even behind closed doors.

    6th Day of Yule – Remembering the Noble Virtue of Fidelity
    We must remain loyal to who and what we are. Those around us need to have the ability to take us at our word, and our word needs to be our bond. Our handshake needs to seal the deal. The devotion to our deeds has to be of the uttermost importance.

    7th Day of Yule – Remembering the Noble Virtue of Hospitality
    Welcome those into your house and your life as you can. In today’s world, we cannot trust everyone with whom we come in contact, but we can exercise caution and be as welcoming as possible. Similarly, be a proper and respectful guest when you are welcomed.

    8th Day of Yule – Remembering the Noble Virtue of Discipline
    Our Way is not an easy way. In many aspects, we fly in the face of the society around us. Stay Tru to the ideals of Heathenry as they unfold in your life. Be diligent in the study of your beliefs. Stay Tru to the gods and goddesses of the Northern Germanic peoples.

    9th Day of Yule – Remembering the Noble Virtue of Industriousness
    Life requires that we work hard. Never sit back and take the easy way out in regards to your ability to create a lifestyle for yourself. No matter the lifestyle you choose, know that your elevation in life, or lack of it, may (but not always) be the direct result of your depth of diligence. Do the best you can, and know that your efforts have been suitably rewarded.

    10th Day of Yule – Remembering the Noble Virtue of Self-Reliance
    Do not create codependent relationships in any way. Do not let your happiness, or your success, be determined by anyone else. Be responsible for yourself. Rely on your own efforts to secure your needs.

    11th Day of Yule – Remembering the Noble Virtue of Perseverance
    If you give up, you die. It really is simple, isn’t it? No matter what you are doing, see it to its conclusion. Even if you try and fail, realize that the only real failure is not trying. Failure is evidence that someone has tried. Success is failure defeated.

    12th night
    Thus ends the season of Yule as we prepare for the upcoming year. It's a time to remember from whence you came as well as a time to make plans for the near future. Take oaths, make promises, hold inventory so you know your present position in relation to where you want to be.

    In Frith and Happy Yule,
  18. *Andi

    *Andi Supporting Member

    Thanks mn_homesteader! Very cool ...!:2thumb: I love hearing how other follow the season.

    The Winter Solstice - For myself and hubby ... but we toss in Santa and Christmas for the family. Within my family we have many views. Which is alright with me ... We all need to find our own paths. :)
  19. flatwater

    flatwater Well-Known Member

    My wife and I save up during the year and then pick two couples, one we know and one complete strangers. We find out ahead of time what they need then buy it for them. It is usually a substatial gift, sometimes money.The couple we know and the couple we do not know never find out who gave the gift. It blows their minds.
  20. gypsysue

    gypsysue The wanderer

    flatwater, that's so awesome, what you do for others!

    All you who make and love getting homemade gifts, it's wonderful to hear that. Restores my faith in the simple things, knowing there are many of us who aren't overly materialistic! *warm and fuzzy 'smiley' icon should go here!*

    mn_homesteader, I agree with Andi, it was wonderful to read about the 12 Days of Yule. I've never read it before, and it's cool to know what others do and believe.

    greeott...how do you make homebrew vanilla? I never heard of doing that! You're in Michigan, so I don't guess vanilla beans grow there?