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People had a permit to march. The police stood around and did nothing while they were attacked by Black Lies Matter and Antifa thugs. Typical of what happens in a state run by Democrats. They want a race war.

 

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While it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that Antifaholes and BLM idiots were being violent, it sure as hell doesn't justify running folks over with a car. The dirt bag who did that should hang.

That was a big ol' hot mess of steaming idiocy on all sides. It's unfortunate, but that's what happens when stupid folks collide.
 

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I don't know how these police departments get away with NOT doing their job. Heads would roll here if that happened because we decided not to keep the peace. Of course our politicians are almost always conservative so we get very different marching orders.

Last year we had a BLM event here with the mother of Trayvon Martin serving as guest speaker. BLM bused in a number of people. Also on scene was a large contingency of anti-BLM protestors ranging from crazy racists to normal people. We not only put out officers in force we brought in dozens of officers from other districts and agencies, a large group of riot officers from the local state prisons, and even contract security (Veteran only business) as reinforcements. We even had 2-3 mobile detention centers on site to send a clear message that we would immediately be engaging any disorder. There were lots of flare ups and angry exchanges, but no one crossed the line. A show of force is necessary in this situations, but that show is worthless if you are not ready, willing and able to follow through. Most of these situations happen because the rioters/protestors know no one is going to do anything until it's too late or too far out of hand.
 

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I don't know how these police departments get away with NOT doing their job. Heads would roll here if that happened because we decided not to keep the peace. Of course our politicians are almost always conservative so we get very different marching orders.

Last year we had a BLM event here with the mother of Trayvon Martin serving as guest speaker. BLM bused in a number of people. Also on scene was a large contingency of anti-BLM protestors ranging from crazy racists to normal people. We not only put out officers in force we brought in dozens of officers from other districts and agencies, a large group of riot officers from the local state prisons, and even contract security (Veteran only business) as reinforcements. We even had 2-3 mobile detention centers on site to send a clear message that we would immediately be engaging any disorder. There were lots of flare ups and angry exchanges, but no one crossed the line. A show of force is necessary in this situations, but that show is worthless if you are not ready, willing and able to follow through. Most of these situations happen because the rioters/protestors know no one is going to do anything until it's too late or too far out of hand.
When a mayor tells the police to back off, as happened in Baltimore and other cities during the Ferguson riots, what are cops supposed to do? I'd hope they'd disregard the mayor and do their jobs, but clearly that doesn't always happen.

This event might have been seen as a strategic opportunity to allow violence so the political actors could place blame on their enemies.
 

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If a mayor tells local authorities to back off and violence erupts then the mayor needs to be held accountable for his/her action. M2cw.
 

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When a mayor tells the police to back off, as happened in Baltimore and other cities during the Ferguson riots, what are cops supposed to do? I'd hope they'd disregard the mayor and do their jobs, but clearly that doesn't always happen.

This event might have been seen as a strategic opportunity to allow violence so the political actors could place blame on their enemies.
I don't know a cop who takes his/her marching order from a Mayor. They take their orders from a Chief of Police. And when the will of the Mayor is in conflict with the will of the Chief, the Chief will win everytime. Of course the Chief will also then be out of a job. In the 20+ years I have been my with department I have had the same boss the entire time. The municipal PD on the other hand is on Chief number 6 in that same time period. Our governor and Attorney General (my boss's boss) has been a Republican for that entire span, the Mayor has flipped back and forth from Republican to Democrat that entire time.

That being said the people with boots on the ground (including supervisors and commanders) will do what they think is right and are supposed to have officer discretion. If one officers call for assistance everybody who can should be rallying to come to his aid. The only way they wouldn't is if that agency has a deep culture of retreat/inaction and an individual philosophy of career-survival taking precedence over their oath. In which case you have security theater and no actual police force at all.
 

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I don't know a cop who takes his/her marching order from a Mayor. They take their orders from a Chief of Police. And when the will of the Mayor is in conflict with the will of the Chief, the Chief will win everytime. Of course the Chief will also then be out of a job. In the 20+ years I have been my with department I have had the same boss the entire time. The municipal PD on the other hand is on Chief number 6 in that same time period. Our governor and Attorney General (my boss's boss) has been a Republican for that entire span, the Mayor has flipped back and forth from Republican to Democrat that entire time.

That being said the people with boots on the ground (including supervisors and commanders) will do what they think is right and are supposed to have officer discretion. If one officers call for assistance everybody who can should be rallying to come to his aid. The only way they wouldn't is if that agency has a deep culture of retreat/inaction and an individual philosophy of career-survival taking precedence over their oath. In which case you have security theater and no actual police force at all.
Something that may be foreign to you is the county sheriff has power over all of them, period. Says the Constitution. Until this land became a socialist federation the county sheriff was supreme ruler in his county.
Don't bother to argue on this one because I'm correct, just research and be informed. :coffee:
 

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People do not want to hear it but most law enforcement do what they are told to do. If not they do not have a long happy life in law enforcement.
 

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The post you quoted talks of State police and local PD and does not address the sheriff. The sheriff is an elected official and as such is a totally different creature.
No it states the sheriff has all the power in the county.
But I was just messing with Sentry over his ' history '. I hope he is safe and always on the side of the LE most of the time. Sometimes cops go bad but most like Sentry are good people.IMO.
 
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