What disaster are you preparing for?
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I like the big foot option up there... 
Seriously, Im not so much preparing for some disaster to happen more so just getting myself in a position that I dont have to rely on any one else to take care of me or mine... Making myself independant of the system as it were.
Seriously, Im not so much preparing for some disaster to happen more so just getting myself in a position that I dont have to rely on any one else to take care of me or mine... Making myself independant of the system as it were.
I agree with Washkeeton. Independence is preparedness enough for just about anything. However, I do like to think through those specific scenarios in case my preps/prep area are somehow compromised.I like the big foot option up there...
Seriously, Im not so much preparing for some disaster to happen more so just getting myself in a position that I dont have to rely on any one else to take care of me or mine... Making myself independant of the system as it were.
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Morons all across the north are complaining about snow, Ice & Cold.
Does a bunch of good to chew out the utilities and highway workers because of a NATURAL EVENT...
It's not really a disaster, because we all KNOW winter is coming, and if you live in the north, you should have enough sense to know that is a bad storm is coming sooner or later!...
I spent most of my day running around fixing winter weather related things for people that should have winterized two months ago!
Can't say no to friends and family....
Sometimes I WISH I COULD,
Or I wish I could charge them!
But I'm 'Farm Folks' and we can't do that, it would be in poor taste...
I did pick up a double door wood burning stove today!
Heavy duty sucker! Short and squat, but will hold about a 3' log, so that's good!
The guy was remodeling a home they just purchased, and removed this 'RUSTY PIECE OF JUNK' from the basement...
Wanted to know if I knew anyone that would haul it off cheap!!!!
I about fell over!
SO!,
I'm waiting for a day when it's warm enough outside to sandblast, then I have a new stove for the alternative heat in my shop!
(Have a double barrel stove now, and I don't like it much, old and leaky)
Does a bunch of good to chew out the utilities and highway workers because of a NATURAL EVENT...
It's not really a disaster, because we all KNOW winter is coming, and if you live in the north, you should have enough sense to know that is a bad storm is coming sooner or later!...
I spent most of my day running around fixing winter weather related things for people that should have winterized two months ago!
Can't say no to friends and family....
Sometimes I WISH I COULD,
Or I wish I could charge them!
But I'm 'Farm Folks' and we can't do that, it would be in poor taste...
I did pick up a double door wood burning stove today!
Heavy duty sucker! Short and squat, but will hold about a 3' log, so that's good!
The guy was remodeling a home they just purchased, and removed this 'RUSTY PIECE OF JUNK' from the basement...
Wanted to know if I knew anyone that would haul it off cheap!!!!
I about fell over!
SO!,
I'm waiting for a day when it's warm enough outside to sandblast, then I have a new stove for the alternative heat in my shop!
(Have a double barrel stove now, and I don't like it much, old and leaky)
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Canadian--you talk of the city... You talk of not being able to prepare as it is... cant you hunt around where you live?...or at least out of town?? I know there are moose and the likes all over Canada.. there is fishing too.. I realize that you may not be able to dip net as we do here in alaska but you can do some fishing etc... There is no reason you cant cut your food bills some even then... I have friends in canada, yes they live way out away from every one, but they do hunt. How big of a piece of property do you live on? depending on size you have avail you can container garden as well as on a small plot of land grow quite a bit if you do a square foot garden...In 4 --16 square foot squares I grew so many things when I lived down south... I was able to feed a family of four most all of our vegies for the summer... My mom was so impressed with how I did, she continued to grow food in them for about the next 20 yrs up to her death about 5 yrs ago...
Everywhere I have lived I have made myself somewhat independant of the system... it has only been this past few yrs that I havent been focusing on that...I am working my way back as we speak...
For those of you who dont think you can do anything on a small plot of land, I have a friend in Kansas that has 3/4 an acre that she lives on... in town. She has 4 goats now, rabbits, chickens, and what isnt the animal area or house is all in garden. Now the kicker of this is that they live on a limited income and there is 2 families living off this... 7 people... 4 adults and 3 children. Her parents are (i wont say elderly) but older... at least sixties. With the animals and the garden they provide about 85% or so of their families food needs per year.
Everywhere I have lived I have made myself somewhat independant of the system... it has only been this past few yrs that I havent been focusing on that...I am working my way back as we speak...
For those of you who dont think you can do anything on a small plot of land, I have a friend in Kansas that has 3/4 an acre that she lives on... in town. She has 4 goats now, rabbits, chickens, and what isnt the animal area or house is all in garden. Now the kicker of this is that they live on a limited income and there is 2 families living off this... 7 people... 4 adults and 3 children. Her parents are (i wont say elderly) but older... at least sixties. With the animals and the garden they provide about 85% or so of their families food needs per year.
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Wash - Yeah it's super small and the condo corporation that owns the common area does not allow plants other than grass. My lawn is about 4' x 6' but I'm only allowed to have grass. Hunting is pretty tough around here. I have to drive about two hours on the highway before I have a possibility to hit a deer with my car. Since I'm in the city I drive a fuel sipping car. I'd probably need a truck of some kind for hunting. Just to get onto the land and to take the animal out once I've found it.
I still have to get the hunting permit which is a big hassle. Then you have to get permission from a local land owner. There's almost no government land around us because we're such a big city. As far as saving money we'd probably come out even after we bought all the gear etc. I would like to go hunting but it's not all that practical. I do have friends who hunt but they live at the far edge of the city. I'll go with them some time but It's not all that practical for me to hunt.
In Toronto it is also illegal to keep any animal which is classified as a farm animal. Not even chickens. It's a pretty big city too. From downtown to the town of Newmarket in the north it's about 35 miles of solid city with a little break just before Newmarket where there are still some farmer's fields that are being paved over to make malls and town homes.
There are a lot of things I do like about the city. So there is a bit of balance.
I still have to get the hunting permit which is a big hassle. Then you have to get permission from a local land owner. There's almost no government land around us because we're such a big city. As far as saving money we'd probably come out even after we bought all the gear etc. I would like to go hunting but it's not all that practical. I do have friends who hunt but they live at the far edge of the city. I'll go with them some time but It's not all that practical for me to hunt.
In Toronto it is also illegal to keep any animal which is classified as a farm animal. Not even chickens. It's a pretty big city too. From downtown to the town of Newmarket in the north it's about 35 miles of solid city with a little break just before Newmarket where there are still some farmer's fields that are being paved over to make malls and town homes.
There are a lot of things I do like about the city. So there is a bit of balance.
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Wow... I did know hunting is different there than here...I know that your gun laws are different also. As far as your condo.. do you have a balcony or portch of your on the bottom floor to be able to do some container gardening. Instead of growing flowers grow food... I am aware condo living isnt the ideal to be able to set yourself up more independantly... believe me I know... lived in one for about 2 months.. I couldnt take the life..
What I have done here is basically set up a back up system for each system on the grid. I am getting a hand pump for the well. I have a wood stove that can double to cook on if necessary... the propane stove that I bought is a totally non electric. All large tools as in the tractor have hand tools to do the same function. I have a tractor that I got for the gardening area.. It will be just as easy to create raised beds and use the broad fork to turn and set up a square foot system. I have a plow and a hand scoop... (ok that is why it is nice to have kids) We scooped 6 to 10 inches of snow out of my drive one yr... Let me tell you I would rather hunker down than have to scoop the drive again... that was actual labor...that isnt to say I dont have the hand tool to suffice if there is no oil or gas. I have back up lighting in the form of wind ups and the likes.. I have pets in the house that keep me from keeping an open flame of either candle, oil etc. I also have a few hand tools to build and create new things if needed...Im now looking at renewable... wind and solar. With the expense of that it will be kinda far off...
What I have done here is basically set up a back up system for each system on the grid. I am getting a hand pump for the well. I have a wood stove that can double to cook on if necessary... the propane stove that I bought is a totally non electric. All large tools as in the tractor have hand tools to do the same function. I have a tractor that I got for the gardening area.. It will be just as easy to create raised beds and use the broad fork to turn and set up a square foot system. I have a plow and a hand scoop... (ok that is why it is nice to have kids) We scooped 6 to 10 inches of snow out of my drive one yr... Let me tell you I would rather hunker down than have to scoop the drive again... that was actual labor...that isnt to say I dont have the hand tool to suffice if there is no oil or gas. I have back up lighting in the form of wind ups and the likes.. I have pets in the house that keep me from keeping an open flame of either candle, oil etc. I also have a few hand tools to build and create new things if needed...Im now looking at renewable... wind and solar. With the expense of that it will be kinda far off...
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Dru9 - Depends a bit on if there is a "cull" order. Also depends on if you want to get a "doe" permit for the season. Generally "cull" orders only stand on private land as farmers need the excess population culled. Doe permits are also easier to get when hunting on private land. It also depends on time of the season and how many animals the bowhunters and muzzle loaders took at the pre season. Rifle hunters get to take whatever is left.
There is a lot of crown land but there's also the question of how to get onto it from a main road. In many cases this involves crossing several people's property lines, roads, and fences - depending on how far away from the city you want to go. There's also the problem of shooting near someone else's property. A .308 will travel 4km if you miss. You've got to be pretty far out there to stay in the good graces of the ministry of natural resources who are always looking for ways to give people fines.
There is a lot of crown land but there's also the question of how to get onto it from a main road. In many cases this involves crossing several people's property lines, roads, and fences - depending on how far away from the city you want to go. There's also the problem of shooting near someone else's property. A .308 will travel 4km if you miss. You've got to be pretty far out there to stay in the good graces of the ministry of natural resources who are always looking for ways to give people fines.
Thanks for the info on deer, didn't know all that (obviously I'm no hunter - YET).
But bear can be taken (unless those guys were lying to me), and ducks as well.
Crown land that I camp and 4 wheel in doesn't pass through much private land, and the pockets are quite large.
But bear can be taken (unless those guys were lying to me), and ducks as well.
Crown land that I camp and 4 wheel in doesn't pass through much private land, and the pockets are quite large.
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Bear is still illegal if you do not have a permit. If you get a permit for bear you're fine. Hunters who fire on bears in "self defense" have gotten fines from the ministry. You can't shoot anything that happens to "wander across your crosshairs" unless you have a specific permit for that animal.
You can also only shoot one bear per season. So if you happen on a family and you kill one you have to leave the rest alone. If the rest of them charge you and you shoot them all you're looking at multiple fines. I think the fine is about $600 per bear. A bear permit is only about $33 if you do it legally.
Your 4 wheeling areas sounds good. But all the human and vehicle traffic will probably scare all the animals off. It's be interesting to know of you're ever seen a deer there. If you're in a spot that sees a lot of human activity you have a decreased chance of seeing the animal you're looking for. Unless you're looking for bears at the local garbage dump. But that's not really hunting.
You can also only shoot one bear per season. So if you happen on a family and you kill one you have to leave the rest alone. If the rest of them charge you and you shoot them all you're looking at multiple fines. I think the fine is about $600 per bear. A bear permit is only about $33 if you do it legally.
Your 4 wheeling areas sounds good. But all the human and vehicle traffic will probably scare all the animals off. It's be interesting to know of you're ever seen a deer there. If you're in a spot that sees a lot of human activity you have a decreased chance of seeing the animal you're looking for. Unless you're looking for bears at the local garbage dump. But that's not really hunting.
You definitely have to have your permits in order - and I've seen plenty of deer/bear roaming about.
As the sun goes down you can hear the shotguns going off for the ducks. It's a little unsettling because they sound so close.
One camping trip I was on, there were 2 guys on ATVs darting about with rifles on their racks. They said they were hunting for bear, and were checking on the bait they had left hanging throughout the woods. Turns out a couple of the baits were hanging within a couple hundred metres of us!
Back on topic though, I think that with where we are at, my major concern is failing utilities due to storms and the like.
As the sun goes down you can hear the shotguns going off for the ducks. It's a little unsettling because they sound so close.
One camping trip I was on, there were 2 guys on ATVs darting about with rifles on their racks. They said they were hunting for bear, and were checking on the bait they had left hanging throughout the woods. Turns out a couple of the baits were hanging within a couple hundred metres of us!
Back on topic though, I think that with where we are at, my major concern is failing utilities due to storms and the like.
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Failing utilities are common here for the winter, with the trees falling, heavy snows, winds that can range from 50 mph up to 100 occasionally...
That was the first preps I did, wood stove, non elec stove, hand cranked flashlights, etc. Just need the hand well pump and will be ready for anything... As it is I have to haul water right now.
That was the first preps I did, wood stove, non elec stove, hand cranked flashlights, etc. Just need the hand well pump and will be ready for anything... As it is I have to haul water right now.
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I prepare for weather emergancies, failing utilities, snow etc., but I also keep my eye out for other things such as civil unrest or economic disasters.
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In some semblance of order of likelihood with probably an order of magnitude drop as you go down the list:
Outdoor recreation incident (lost, injured, weather issues, exhaustion in the field, etc)
Winter driving incident (trapped in car, stuck, accident, etc)
Winter storm trapping me at home or office
Short-term electric utilities failure (local lines down or grid issues)
Localized flash flooding (primarily a concern at work and recreating)
Extreme heat spells (particularly when combined with power loss)
Economic recession and/or depression (deflation, inflation, hyperinflation, unemployment)
Oil supply disruptions (From hurricanes to terrorism aimed at ports and refinery capacity)
Peak energy related issues (rising energy prices, shortages, lack of reliability)
Food security (prices relating to peak oil & short term problems due to personal economics)
Pandemic (flu-like viruses and other critters)
Civil unrest (isn't that an oxymoron?)
Climate change (and it's global repercussions)
Electro-magnetic pulse (EMP-as a tool of terrorist states (Russian republics? N. Korea?) or weapon of choice for China/Russia)
Outdoor recreation incident (lost, injured, weather issues, exhaustion in the field, etc)
Winter driving incident (trapped in car, stuck, accident, etc)
Winter storm trapping me at home or office
Short-term electric utilities failure (local lines down or grid issues)
Localized flash flooding (primarily a concern at work and recreating)
Extreme heat spells (particularly when combined with power loss)
Economic recession and/or depression (deflation, inflation, hyperinflation, unemployment)
Oil supply disruptions (From hurricanes to terrorism aimed at ports and refinery capacity)
Peak energy related issues (rising energy prices, shortages, lack of reliability)
Food security (prices relating to peak oil & short term problems due to personal economics)
Pandemic (flu-like viruses and other critters)
Civil unrest (isn't that an oxymoron?)
Climate change (and it's global repercussions)
Electro-magnetic pulse (EMP-as a tool of terrorist states (Russian republics? N. Korea?) or weapon of choice for China/Russia)
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