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"People are just shooting each other," he said. "There are fights over food. People are so desperate."

"Nearly a month after the quake, respiratory infections, malnutrition, diarrhea from waterborne diseases and a lack of appropriate food for young children may be the biggest killers, health workers say."

Yahoo News, Feb. 9, 2010

This is a worldwide relief effort underway in Haiti and the worst is yet to come. I will do everything in my power to not be a refugee, waiting for help from well-intentioned people who are simply overwhelmed with the task.
 

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You me and many of the others here too! I’m not planning for the end of the world, just a disaster like this, devaluing the dollar or an extended interruption to the supply chain. I have some supplies but my main source of food and water will be grown so it can be an ongoing supply. I have a 60 day stockpile and by then the greenhouse or garden can be producing enough edibles to keep me going for as long as need be.

I had some friends over a few weeks ago and they commented on my supply closet. One mentioned that I had enough toilet paper to last me two years (2- 48 packs). I replied that if the supply chain was interrupted for an extended period, what would you run out of and miss the most? ;)
 

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Only 2 packs of 48? I only have one bathroom in the house (right now) and under the sink I have two-packs at all times and in my little storage area I try to keep 4 packs waiting at all times. :sssh:

Two porta-potties, one porta-potty privacy-enclosure.

I agree with you MtnMan - that is why I prepare, I won't trust the system to keep going. Too many variables that influence the system that can bring it to a major slowdown or even a full crash. That is why I "train" with all kinds of long-distance winter-sports, with hunting, camping, off-roading, hiking, mtn-biking, butchering, welding, cooking, sewing ...

I envy you and some of the others here that are already grid-free because you are just another step beyond where I am at, but, daily, I am getting closer :woohoo:
 

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Where we live the phone coop will run a phne line anywhere for a $60.00 new service fee. The electric co. coop charges by the foot. One guy who moved here paid $34,000.00 to run electricity about a mile to his house. He could have set up a premier off grid power system for a lot less than that and he still has to endure grid shutdowns.

Our progression into off grid electricity was easy for us since we began with the intention of living totally without electricity and we determined that no matter what "improvements" we made we would make absolutely sure we could thrive without electricity. We have no dependence on electrical power at all.

I think it would be difficult for someone to go from grid electricity to off grid because they would always feel somewhat deprived. With us we felt good about it because we started here completely without electricity. (If that makes any sense.) We both had extensive off-grid/non-electric living prior to getting married so the initial move here to a non-electric life was not difficult.
 

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I'm not planning for the end of the world, just a disaster like this, devaluing the dollar or an extended interruption to the supply chain. I
A disaster like this would be end of the world for many people. Haiti was a shit poor 3rd world country before... what are they now?

There really isn't a downside with prepping particularly being self reliant it cost much less than being tied into our consumerist society.
 

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Just read a little bit from CTV news:

CTV-NewsOnline said:
The recovery efforts in Haiti could be jeopardized in the coming weeks as the rainy season approaches, threatening to wash away the work that has already been done to help survivors get back on their feet.

Delegates from the Haitian Red Cross and 27 national societies of the Red Cross are in Montreal this week for a two-day conference to discuss a plan of action and rebuilding priorities for the months to come.

Jean Pierre Taschereau of the Canadian Red Cross says that looming over the meeting is the worry that the annual rash of storms that hits the Caribbean every spring could destroy the settlements and facilities that have already been built.

"We already know we're engaged in a race against the clock because of the upcoming rainy season and hurricane season," he told CTV's Canada AM Wednesday from Montreal.

"So we're looking at how we move from the acute emergency phase to preparing for this next phase of people's needs."

Rains have already hit parts of the tiny nation and now the devastated capital of Port-au-Prince is awaiting its first downpour of the season.

Taschereau, who just returned from Haiti after leading an International Red Cross fact-finding mission, said those rains are expected to drench the city's homeless camps, which consist largely of makeshift tents made with tarps and bed sheets.

Because many parts of the country have been largely deforested, there is also the very real threat that mudslides and landslides could create new disasters for the quake survivors.

"When you look at all the pictures of Port-au-Prince, all these structures are very unstable. So now we have the risk of landslides due to the rain and the temporary settlements where people are," Taschereau said.

Those rains could also compound existing concerns over health and sanitation in the homeless camps, he said.

"We need to make sure we build proper irrigation channels and a system so that we can evacuate grey waters to ensure that the rains don't add to public health hazards to the already dire situation on the ground," Taschereau said.

The weather risk is so worrisome that the Red Cross is drawing up contingency plans to evacuate its 300 or so international staff from the country if needed.

As workers race against the clock on the ground in Haiti, delegates at the Montreal meeting said they were exploring several possible solutions, including distributing temporary shelters that can easily be converted into semi-permanent forms of housing. The group is specifically looking at a tent that can be overlaid with wood.

"One of the most urgent aspects is to put in place shelter that is able to withstand the rainy season," Conrad Sauvé, secretary general of the Canadian Red Cross Society, told the conference Tuesday.

"We can't install tents that aren't able to stand up to the wind and rain. So we're in the process of looking at solutions for shelters that we can reinforce."

Many among the conference stressed that the focus remains on preparing for the rains, and that until those concerns are addressed, long-term rebuilding plans for Haiti will have to wait.

Eventually, in the months ahead, the focus will shift away from stabilization and on to reconstruction, Taschereau said. That phase will likely determine how so much of the funds that has been donated to Red Cross societies over the last few weeks will be used.

"We have to think about… how do we ensure that all of these funds that are collected are used to build something better so we are not back to where we were when we left?" he said.

He said teams will try to ensure that only earthquake-resistant buildings are constructed, that safety exit roads are built to help people escape landslides, and that medical facilities are easily accessible.

"All this kind of careful planning will ensure that should the worst occur again, people will be better prepared the next time."
I just love the part that I bolded ...
 

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Hello friends.......what I haven't mentioned before is that I am from Cuba where to find a straight nail on the road is like finding a five dollar bill here in the states and where to have a bottle of aspirin it makes you a doctor.

Where many here are getting ready for WTSHTF the Cuban people have been living under those conditions for over 46 years.

I am very, very, very soory to tell you that the conditions here in the states will be a hell of a lot worse........my people in Cuba had five to six years to mentally get ready for what was to happe.......they were helped by the fact that they didn't have much to start with.

Here in the states, the land of plenty, the American people are so spoiled that if they don't have their "Star Buck" coffee in the morning is like the end of the world for them.

Someone mentioned the fact that they have food for "six months"...hallelluya brother because you will be safe like for two weeks.

And toilet paper? it covers a wall of my four car garage with rolls of toilet paper.......1870 rolls.

Part of my inventory is......coffee 50 cans......sugar 500 lbs......rice 1,150 lbs....... blk beans 450 lbs........salt 400 lbs........plus a lot more.

From the movie "The Book Of Eli"......"We just to throw things away in the old days that we are now killing for"

I had a long talk with my family in Cuba and they told me what was needed the most...........EVERYTHING.

Because there is always something else to co I coined the following....... "To be ready is not"... Ponce
 

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"People are just shooting each other," he said. "There are fights over food. People are so desperate."

"Nearly a month after the quake, respiratory infections, malnutrition, diarrhea from waterborne diseases and a lack of appropriate food for young children may be the biggest killers, health workers say."

Yahoo News, Feb. 9, 2010

This is a worldwide relief effort underway in Haiti and the worst is yet to come. I will do everything in my power to not be a refugee, waiting for help from well-intentioned people who are simply overwhelmed with the task.
I can't speak for now, but I was there in the 60's and it was no different, this quake only brought the blow dried media puffs into the picture, As a young Marine I had been a few places but never had I seen such squallier and filth and the kids!! I've seen hungry dogs in better shape... so we did what all US military grunts have always done, ,we fed them our c rats...I never saw one kid wrinkle up a nose at the Ham and MF'rs... or the John Wayne crackers....

It was something I've never forgotten and now after all these many years the world turned, man went to the moon and things are still the same there... Hell maybe we should just take over the world, give everybody liberty and ..... naaaaaaaa would never work coz the same bastards we have running this country would run that...
 
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