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I would love to try out one of these Russian Sub2000 clones.

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ASIKA ASK-17-9: Russian Clone of KelTec SUB-2000


A Russian company called ASIKA (АСИКА) makes a Kel-Tec SUB-2000 copy called ASK-17-9. I am not sure whether it is a direct reverse-engineered copy or not. Nevertheless, what we can tell from the images is that at least most of the key features are copied.


Images by www.nobninsk.ru

This is a simple blowback operated carbine chambered in 9x19mm Luger. It feeds from standard Glock magazines. It is shown with a magazine restricted to 10 round capacity to be legal in Russian civilian market which it is designed for. The barrel length is 510mm (about 20″) which is probably chosen so to comply with the legal requirements, too. The ASIKA carbine weighs 1.2kg (2lb 10oz). It is said to cost 50,000 rubles (about $850) which is less than the Kel-Tec SUB-2000 in their market.

Here is a video showing the ASIKA ASK-17-9 carbine:


The overall layout and appearance, the stock, the folding mechanism, charging handle location … everything tells it is a copy. I wonder if they have licensed the design from Kel-Tec or is there a patent infringement involved. Unfortunately, the company has no website and I couldn't find their contacts. Hopefully, their officials will read this article and contact us clarifying this issue. Once it happens, we'll update this article with the official information.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/11/09/asika-ask-17-9-russian-clone-keltec-sub-2000/

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It appears to have a substantially longer threaded barrel yet weighs 1lb. 6oz. less than a Keltec. That would have to mean major reductions in weight to the bolt, bolt carrier, and spring. This could concieveably mean a more reliable firearm. Of course, it could also mean it would be less reliability. Is that possible?
Russians expect reliability over everything else, so my guess is they made changes to make sure it would feed 100% of the time. But who knows for sure. The forearms looks like it could be painted carbon fiber which would also reduce weight. I am wondering if it is mostly aluminum alloy as you can see some white where the stock shows wear. Of course this could just be a prototype too.
 

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Russians expect reliability over everything else, so my guess is they made changes to make sure it would feed 100% of the time. But who knows for sure. The forearms looks like it could be painted carbon fiber which would also reduce weight. I am wondering if it is mostly aluminum alloy as you can see some white where the stock shows wear. Of course this could just be a prototype too.
Buy one and let us know..:D
 

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The one issue I have is with the barrel length. When you extend a 9MM barrel past 16" you start loosing muzzle velocity. It might be worth half an inch or so to gain the threading on the muzzle but that looks to be a good 20" long.
I think that is a non-military requirement in Russia. If they ever come to the US (which I highly doubt) I am sure they will be shorter.
 
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