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I'm sure there is a need for dumbed down industrial-serfs these days.

Judge orders homeschoolers into public district classrooms
Decides children need more 'focus' despite testing above grade levels

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Posted: March 11, 2009
11:25 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A North Carolina judge has ordered three children to attend public schools this fall because the homeschooling their mother has provided over the last four years needs to be "challenged."

The children, however, have tested above their grade levels - by as much as two years.

The decision is raising eyebrows among homeschooling families, and one friend of the mother has launched a website Homeschool Injustice to publicize the issue.

The ruling was made by Judge Ned Mangum of Wake County, who was handling a divorce proceeding for Thomas and Venessa Mills.

A statement released by a publicist working for the mother, whose children now are 10, 11 and 12, said Mangum stripped her of her right to decide what is best for her children's education.

The judge, when contacted by WND, explained his goal in ordering the children to register and attend a public school was to make sure they have a "more well-rounded education."

"I thought Ms. Mills had done a good job [in homeschooling]," he said. "It was great for them to have that access, and [I had] no problems with homeschooling. I said public schooling would be a good complement."

Judge orders homeschoolers into public district classrooms
 

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Harrison Bergeron, anyone?
 

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While this is dissapointing news forr home schooling parents, there are several things to consider here.
First, this was a complaint filed by the father of the family during a divorce. Perhaps he saw something more than we see in the order. Perhaps it was motivated by anger.
Second; in most of tthese cases, the children have represntation and counseling. Perhaps the couselor saw something.
Thirdly; most homeschooling parents are advised to participate in groups where other homeschool children get together for social interaction. They are also enocuraging regular schools to allow homeschool children to participate in extra curricular activities such as gym, sports, music. Perhaps this wasn't done.
The judge made the comment that these children were well schooled and that was not the issue. The issue was that they needed interaction with their peers.

Who knows the real story behind this whole thing. Though, as you say, it is very bad news for home schooling.
 

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Your comment states that this is a custody case, and so the homeschool issue is not as clear-cut as in other cases where both parents want the children to be homeschooled and the judge overrules that. It's a good point to raise, but there are several responses to show that this is not so:

1. In this case, the father wants the children to go to public school. Of course, he has the right to state his wishes and to have them considered, but he has presented no legitimate evidence to support his request or demonstrate that it would be in the children's best interest.

2. The mother wants to continue homeschooling the children. They have been homeschooled for the last four years and, by the admission of both the father and the Court, have done very well and "thrived."

3. If both the mother and father have equal right to decide on the children's education, and they cannot agree, then the judge must make a decision. The issue is not whether he sides with the father or the mother, but that his decision is based on the facts at hand and, above all, what is in the best interest of the children. Although Judge Mangum claims to have made his decision on just that basis, the evidence does not support that claim. His public views on homeschooling are not justified, not supported by any evidence, and reveal a lack of understanding and reliance on false stereotypes.

In any situation where there is a similar dispute, normal precedent would be to continue the status quo unless there is strong evidence to support a change.

In this case, the status quo is for the mother to continue homeschooling and, again, both the judge and the father acknowledge that the children are benefitting from homeschooling and the mother is doing a good job.

The judge's claim that both parents never mutually agreed to homeschooling is inconsistent with the facts at hand. The children have been homeschooled for the last four years. Did the father only recently discover that fact? Why is he only now making an issue of it? Why would he acknowledge that his children are doing well in homeschool, but then want them to be placed in public school?? Is it really in children's best interest to be pulled out of homeschool and thrown into public school? I wonder if Judge Mangum is fully aware of the moral state of our public schools?

Certainly, the custody and divorce issues in this case present superficial complications - but the heart of the matter is that, against all the evidence and without any attempt to prove why he considers it in the "best interest of the children," Judge Mangum has ordered three homeschooled children to be uprooted and placed in public school, regardless of their own wishes or their mother's.

What's more important? To satisfy some philosophical or idealogical "rule" to give equal time to both parents? Or to allow the children to continue to thrive, to receive the best possible education, and to be taught strong moral values? What is really "in the best interests of the children" here?

The fact that this is not a blatant overruling of both parents' rights makes this case all the more dangerous - because many people will find it too easy to dismiss as "just a custody issue" or "just a messy divorce."

Judges have already tried and failed to assault parents' right to homeschool head-on. Don't let them get away with slipping it in under cover of a divorce case!
 

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Who knows the real story behind this whole thing. Though, as you say, it is very bad news for home schooling.

Very true!!
NO... very NOT true!

please follow the links in the articles, it's pretty clear if you read the whole thing
 

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NO... very NOT true!

please follow the links in the articles, it's pretty clear if you read the whole thing
WND said:
In the North Carolina case, Adam Cothes, a spokesman for the mother, said the children routinely had been testing at up to two years above their grade level, were involved in swim team and other activities and events outside their home and had taken leadership roles in history club events.

On her website, family friend Robyn Williams said Mangum stated his decision was not ideologically or religiously motivated but that ordering the children into public schools would "challenge the ideas you've taught them."
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According to Williams' website, the judge also ordered a mental health evaluation for the mother - but not the father - as part of the divorce proceedings, in what Williams described as an attack on the "mother's conservative Christian beliefs."

According to a proposed but as-yet unsigned order submitted by the father's lawyer to Mangum, "The children have thrived in homeschool for the past four years, but need the broader focus and socialization available to them in public school. The Court finds that it is in the children's best interest to continue their homeschooling through the end of the current school year, but to begin attending public school at the beginning of the 2009-2010 instructional year."

The order proposed by the father's lawyer also conceded the reason for the divorce was the father's "adultery," but it specifically said the father would not pay for homeschooling expenses for his children.
Seems to me the ruling is based more about anti-religion - not education / socialization. The way it is written is that the mother is a "conservative Christian" and the father doesn't want the children to be taught Christian-values. The children are "socialized" according to the mother - spending time in physical excersise (swim-team) and being part of a history-club.

To me - it isn't about what is right for the children - it is a power struggle between a father and a mother in a divorce situation. In a divorce, it is always the children who will loose-out.

BTW: I have a couple of cousins who were home-schooled. One did "alright" in regular school, the other did "badly" in regular school. After home-schooling, the one that "did alright" went on for college and did well. The one that "did badly" in regular school is still working on his grade-12 stuff - at 28 years old ..
 
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