See YouTube - Ron Paul vs. Michael Moore on Larry King CNN Link wont show up here. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hn6ad4_FzM]YouTube - Ron Paul vs. Michael Moore on Larry King CNN 10/29/2009[/ame] Sure Universal Healthcare is a form of socialism. So what? We already have many socialzed sytems in force within the US. Medicare, Social Security, our the Postal Service as well as Public Education are all forms of socialism. Sure our socialized systems need improvement as they are mismanaged through the corrupt politicians. But mismanaged or not would we do better as a country without such systems? Should the US be 100% capitalism with no concern of social ethics? In the vid Prez Johnson touched on the answer ...you need a mix of capitalism and free markets as well as social safety nets. It is just a question of what the mix is? Socialism is what saved our country from going bust with the Wall Street debacle. Maybe we needed to go through a terrible depression and die off to clean house. But that is not the way things went down. So we must give credit where credit is due and the saving grace that kept America as well as the world going turned out to be socialism and not the free market capitalism. Another fellow (I think on the AR-15 forum) had a solution to America's woes. He subscribed to the "Scrooge Theory." He said if a person can't get along without pills, medicine, psychiatric care, welfare, Medicare, food stamps or gov handouts to live - then they need to just die. He wasn't bitter about it, just viewed this as the correct way to run a country under the law of natural selection. I heard similar views from the survival podcast man about gov entitlements. (He didn't mention the need to die part) but, I agree with him the gov keeps a certain amount on the citizens beholden to the politicians for handouts, But that is how we built our nation. Do we kill off half of the pop in midstream? If that was the case, America would be a very different place, wouldn't it? But as America goes bust from corrupt politicians, we run out of fossil fuels and fewer and fewer of us can afford to get healthcare...that 'kill off' is exactly where we are headed. BRAIN FOOD TABLE OF CONTENTS Where are you on this issue? Socialized mix for the US or dump all social programs and let capitalists have full control?