Shackled and Pregnant

Discussion in 'International Current News & Events' started by redhorse, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. redhorse

    redhorse Supporting Member

    How terrible. I am sure we don't have the complete story, but it seems like this soon to be mother was already doing what she could to get healthy for her baby.

    I understand the line of reasoning for such laws, but as with everything else, the government is going waaaayyyy to far with the powers they wield.

    You can bet I won't be telling my doctor ANYTHING about my life other than what ails me, not that I take anything more than birth control and a multi vitamin. (maybe a tad to much alcohol on occasion and a niccotine fix) This makes me sick.

  2. TheLazyL

    TheLazyL Cowboy

    What they did to that mother to be just burns my hide!

  3. DJgang

    DJgang I put SAs on IGNORE!

    Goodness, she needed help but... I just don't know what to say.

    Y'all do need to fair warn everyone you know with little ones, the doctors are starting to ask about guns in the homes. All I can say is two different people in my life with small children were hit blind sided by the question, they were questioned three time during the visit....

    Went like this:

    Oh, how many hours a night does Johnny sleep?
    MOM: he's a great sleeper goes down at 8pm and gets up about 6:30, no problems at night
    So, how is little Johnny's bowel movements?
    MOM: oh, Johnny has a dirty diaper every four hours or so, he's never constipated.
    Good, good. So how many guns in the house?
    MOM: :eek: huh?
    Yes how many guns in the house?
    MOM: wow, wasn't expecting that, um.... None.
    So, does Johnny still breast feed?
    MOM: yes, just before his naps and before bedtime.
    Is he eating a little table food now?
    MOM: oh yes, he's loving table food.
    So how many guns did you say were in your house?
    MOM: :eek: huh?!

    Anyway... It wasn't like a category on it's own, it was questioned in between number of poop diapers and something else...

  4. Sentry18

    Sentry18 Well-Known Member

    I'm on the fence. I don't like that she was imprisoned, but I don't like that she is taking chemical substances than can be harmful to the child. Especially chemicals that she is "borrowing". I deal with a lot of substance abusers, some of whom have been pregnant, and often times when the urge is strong the drug is WAY more important than the child. Since everyone declined to comment but the lawyers for the pregnant woman we are only getting part of the story. It will be interesting to read what happens during the trial and what the resolution ends up being.
  5. Foreverautumn

    Foreverautumn Well-Known Member

    This is one reason among many that I'm having more and more serious reservations about the entire "war on drugs." Drugs or any other behavior someone doesn't like is fast becoming a "boogeyman" agrument for increased surveillance, less/no rights, and more and more government agencies, and more and more laws ostensibly designed to keep us safe from the "boogeyman."
  6. DJgang

    DJgang I put SAs on IGNORE!

    And they do LIE a lot. I have a friend that administers a Christian 'half way' home for women. She was a druggie herself for years and didn't get clean until she spent some time in the state pen and they took her daughter away. She's saving women's lives now. But she can see right through them. She'll stand up for them with the judge but once they lie to her, she take them back to the judge as well. I think she's doing a wonderful service, I wish our government would allow and support more ministries such as this. Anyway... Off topic but...
  7. Grimm

    Grimm There is a place in Hell for me...the THRONE.

    Thanks for the warning. Roo has an appointment next month and I have one next week.
  8. Sentry18

    Sentry18 Well-Known Member

    Not to sidetrack things here, but I took 3 kids to the Dr. this week and was never asked any questions about guns or the like. Last week the wife and I each had check ups and also no questions about guns. Although I was wearing a gun at the time so perhaps it was just obvious.
  9. brightstar

    brightstar Well-Known Member

    Is it odd that our pediatrician's husband is the one that taught our conceal carry class? Hehe. On a serious note, at all of Ethan's appts in past 7 months (5 appts) and his birth, we were never asked about guns either. I had an appt yesterday and wasn't asked either. I wonder if it's a regional thing?
  10. Enchant18

    Enchant18 Well-Known Member

    Last month at the pediatrician my daughter and I were asked by both the asst and doctor whether we had guns in the home.
  11. Meerkat

    Meerkat Seeking The Truth

    I thought what was said between a doctor and his patient was private?

    Looks like the Gestapo is everywhere. PAPERS PLEASE, now bend over and cough, serf.
  12. tortminder

    tortminder Well-Known Member

    Pediatricians and guns

    Anecdotally, there have been two occasions where my then significant other, now wife, was asked by her grandsons pediatrician about firearms in the home.

    These questions are recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics as a part of their "Gun Violence Policy Recommendations":
    ..."Encourage and Support Physicians’ Role in Gun Violence Prevention
    Physician counseling of parents about firearm safety has been demonstrated to be an effective prevention measure. The AAP supports the education of physicians and other professionals interested in understanding the effects of firearms and how to reduce the morbidity and mortality associated with their use. HHS should establish a program to support gun safety training and
    counseling programs among physicians and other medical professionals. The program should also provide medical and community resources for families exposed to violence. Federal gun safety and violence initiatives must include members of the medical community, who are uniquely involved with families and communities."...


    If a question is intrusive and has nothing to do with your or your childs' health, it is best to deflect or give a non-answer, in my opinion.:gaah:
  13. BlueZ

    BlueZ Well-Known Member

    Or inform the physician, that you consider asking the question unprofessional and will seek medical help elsewhere.
  14. hitman3872

    hitman3872 Well-Known Member

    Wake Up people, this is socialism at its best. They want to abort babies because they are not a life. But also protect them because you don't play by their rules. We already live in a socialist state. We live in a place where we have no liberties just an illusion of freedom. If something is not done soon we will be slaves to a system, that is corrupt. Why does my doctor ask me if I own guns, why does my insurance company ask me personal questions that is none of their business? It is no ones business but mine and my families. I am so pissed when I read stories like this because it just further shows how corrupt our freaking politicians really have become.
  15. BillS

    BillS Well-Known Member

    OK, she had drugs in her system. Are we really supposed to believe she had just stopped taking them? I'm not buying it. I don't have a lot of sympathy for pregnant drug addicts complaining about a lack of privacy.
    The welfare of the unborn child should take precedent in the case of a drug addict mother. The benefit of the doubt should go to the child.
  16. Magus

    Magus Scavenger deluxe

    And so we leave her free and get to support a crack baby for the rest of his misery filled life?
    No thanks.
  17. tortminder

    tortminder Well-Known Member


    Following that logic, we should emulate the National Socialists and use the mother for medical experiments and euthanize the addicted child.

    No thanks.
  18. redhorse

    redhorse Supporting Member

    I think it should be pointed out that the only drug that was in her system was a drug to help overcome the addiction. She was 'detained' for refusing to renew her perscription of it, she didn't want it anymore, and had considered herself clean. The article sounded like she had been trying to do the right thing.

    Of course, who knows what the whole story is.
  19. Magus

    Magus Scavenger deluxe


    Well if she was actively seeking help then fine, but not if she was still whacked.think of the kid.
    Better her to be put in restraint and dried out rather than make a deformed or retarded child who
    could have been otherwise normal.
  20. redhorse

    redhorse Supporting Member

    According to the article, and lord knows how accurate it was, but she had gotten herself clean and wanted no drugs period during her pregnancy. The doctors were the ones trying to shove a perscription down her throat and called the law on her when she refused to take anything.