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Scenario: You have a secret BOL that absolutely no one knows about. You don't want anyone to know where it is either. Your Cell phone has a GPS that tells where you are everytime you make a call. How and what communications devices will you use to contact your family and friends. Will you leave the site and go miles away to use your phone? keep it turned off at the BOL? Do you have a plan to get your family to the BOL without phone use? My kids are scattered around and this is something I must considder for getting us together safely. Or am I just paranoid?:nuts::dunno:
 

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Easiest answer, MAKE sure your family knows where it is or have a meeting place on the way there, thats the plan we have for my parents, sisters, ect... not only for the fact that new phones have GPS but also i would imagine all line would be flooded anyway and you couldnt make or recieve calls.
 

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not sure thats a big concern ....whats the theory :dunno: someone or government :confused: will track your location drive, walk, run whatever to see if you have supplies? if you have cell phone service i'm thinking things aren't that bad

I'd be more concerned about some random person stumbling upon it.
 

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After thinking about this i have something to add maybe some of you don't know that should be more concerning than your cell phone

Go to Google and search your screen name watch what pops up these forums and info are cashed on Google and other servers more importantly your IP address is stored and easily traced back to you. All of what happens on the net like this forum is cashed on servers some of it forever you are not anonymous here.

IF martial law was to happen authorities would have unlimited access to this data they could browse these forums, find members with large reserves, firearms, fuel and trace the IP to the source and show up at your door step. I'm not saying this would happen but this is a reality with the wed today and it's much more likely than tracing your cell phone IMO
 

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After thinking about this i have something to add maybe some of you don't know that should be more concerning than your cell phone

Go to Google and search your screen name watch what pops up these forums and info are cashed on Google and other servers more importantly your IP address is stored and easily traced back to you. All of what happens on the net like this forum is cashed on servers some of it forever you are not anonymous here.

IF martial law was to happen authorities would have unlimited access to this data they could browse these forums, find members with large reserves, firearms, fuel and trace the IP to the source and show up at your door step. I'm not saying this would happen but this is a reality with the wed today and it's much more likely than tracing your cell phone IMO
Pdx210, I think you have hit the nail on the head. I also think if need be each call you have made can be traced to a particular lattitude and longitude. You can be followed across the country.
 

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Even if you relied on radio communications, your signal could be triangulated to your location. There are HAM's who enjoy frequency-tracking / triangulating signals, especially "illegal" transmitters.

Its doesn't really matter what we do - we all can be tracked some way by someone. Even out in the furthest reaches, a person could be manually tracked ...
 

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whats unique here we talk about the reserves we are building and these posts can be traced back to individuals. I don't know if this something to be concerned about but since we're talking about cell phone trace to a bug out here we are. I know the first rule in government is self preservation and the first thing that 's going to happen in a SHTF is martial law, a suspension of constitutional rights no search warrants, no due process and asset confiscation. At some point government will figure out they need supplies you may become the store. they can pull records from stores, fuel suppliers If the servers at Google for example still work they can do the same with the web
 

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I think it is a very good idea to have stock piled supplies scattered, if some random person does find your BOL they wont find everything. My scenerio about communications at your BOL stems from the possibility you were being hunted the way the Nazi's hunted Jews. How could you hide out and communicate?
 

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Hang on a second .. isn't your BOL a floating fortress?

If your BOL is landlocked and your name is on the title of the location where your BOL is - the government already knows where it is. If you can purchase / title your BOL as a corporation or LLC you might be able to slide under the radar for a while.

Now - as for the forums, yes, I have your IP addresses and yes I can reverse-trace you with the right tools. But, by your use of an alias, you are putting another level of hiding from the government. Don't give out too much specific information in the forums and whenever possible put in misleading information without actually lying.

When I talk about my preps, it is usually in fairly general terms and I am expecting that the majority of the members here also talk in general terms. Whenever I talk in specifics, it is due to the nature of the preps (ie: my office-stash) and the fact that they are rotated quickly.

OffGrid living is becoming a little more common-place with our local power company helping people become grid independent (WildMist is going on a seminar next week hosted by the company she works for - the local power company).
 

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(WildMist is going on a seminar next week hosted by the company she works for - the local power company).
I did go to that seminar and you gotta love working for a company that wants to help you use alternative and sustainable energy. Not only that but I received explicit information on how to build a Net-Zero home.
The things I learn at my work will help NaeKid and I not only prepare for when the SHTF but build an off-grid home.
I say this to my boss all the time but she has no idea how much I mean it. I LOVE MY JOB!!! :2thumb:
 

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You can also get a "burn phone" a simple pre-paid cellular phone from a vending machine or convinence store. These phones work just like a normal cell phone but the do not have the gps chip in them and do not show who they belong to on "records" the best "big brother" can do is show what tower you are "hitting"
 

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You can also get a "burn phone" a simple pre-paid cellular phone from a vending machine or convinence store. These phones work just like a normal cell phone but the do not have the gps chip in them and do not show who they belong to on "records" the best "big brother" can do is show what tower you are "hitting"
Oldsoldier, I wondered about these, I wasn't sure about the GPS Chip.:scratch
 

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You can also get a "burn phone" a simple pre-paid cellular phone from a vending machine or convinence store. These phones work just like a normal cell phone but the do not have the gps chip in them and do not show who they belong to on "records" the best "big brother" can do is show what tower you are "hitting"
I wondered about these, I wasn't sure about the GPS Chip.:scratch
 

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I wondered about these, I wasn't sure about the GPS Chip.:scratch
Most of your cheap phones ( prepaid) in the $20-$40 range don't come with a GPS chip like the "normal" cell phone does. As I posted before the most that can be tracked is the tower you are operating off of and if you limit the length of the call and turn off the phone/remove the battery when not in use many times they can't even get that much.
 

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Breaking news via the AP

Associated Press said:
Justice Dept. wants phone locales without warrant
By MARYCLAIRE DALE (AP)

PHILADELPHIA - Should the government be allowed to track a person's movements based on cell phone records, without evidence of criminal wrongdoing?

A showdown on the issue unfolded Friday in a federal appeals court in Philadelphia, as the Justice Department battled electronic-privacy groups.

The privacy groups say the information could reveal when someone goes to a religious service, medical clinic or political rally, or is having an extramarital affair. Third U.S. Circuit Judge Dolores Sloviter seemed to share that concern.

"You know there are governments in the world that would like to know where some of their people are or have been," Sloviter challenged Justice Department lawyer Mark Eckenwiler, an associate director of criminal enforcement operations.

"Can the government assure us that it will never try to find out these things?" she asked. "Don't we have to be concerned about this? Not this government right now, but a government?"

Law enforcement agencies hope to obtain cell phone location data from cellular providers without first showing probable cause of a crime - and without the customer's knowledge. The data comes from cell phone towers, and in densely populated cities can pinpoint a person's location to within a few hundred yards.

The issue is not whether the government can obtain the information, but whether a probable-cause warrant should be required first.

"An individual has no Fourth Amendment-protected privacy interest in business records, such as cell-site usage information, that are kept, maintained and used by a cell phone company," Eckenwiler wrote in his brief.

Sloviter countered by asking Eckenwiler why there was a need to skip a probable-cause showing, saying that she knew no magistrates reluctant to grant search warrant applications.

He replied that the relevant law does not require them. Eckenwiler said probable-cause warrants are only needed to obtain the contents of electronic communications, such as a text or e-mail, or to wiretap a phone. He believes the 1986 Electronics Communications Privacy Act allows police to obtain "non-content" data without a warrant.

After Friday's hearing, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., chief author of the 1986 law, said his committee would revisit the legislation this year.

"The question of how best to protect these digital communications, while providing law enforcement with the tools that it needs to keep us safe, has no simple answer. But, what is clear is that our federal electronic privacy laws are woefully outdated," Leahy said in a statement.

The appeal heard Friday stems from a Pittsburgh drug-trafficking case, in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sought the data as an investigative tool because the suspects frequently changed vehicles and residences.

Magistrate Lisa Pupo Lenihan denied the 2008 request, calling the information "extraordinarily personal and potentially sensitive."

The Electronic Frontier Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union asked that Lenihan's ruling stand.

Eckenwiler challenged the notion that government access to location data would turn a person's phone into a "tracking device." He said the ATF was only seeking past cell phone use in the drug case.

However, a professor of cyberspace law called the distinction negligible. Police could ask a cell phone provider for historical data and then ask again a month later - thereby achieving the same end, argued Susan Freiwald, a University of San Francisco law professor.

"Most cell phone users would be unpleasantly surprised, if not outraged, to learn that a law enforcement agent could gain access to their location information without first obtaining a warrant based on a showing of probable cause," she wrote in a "friend of the court" brief.

Sloviter is joined on the three-judge panel by Judge R. Jane Roth, who was absent from the bench Friday, and visiting 9th Circuit Judge A. Wallace Tashima. The judges suspended the usual 30-minute time limit for oral arguments, extending the session to 80 minutes.

Tashima questioned Freiwald's contention that the phone-location data lets police invade the privacy of the home. Freiwald believes the information can suggest when people are home, when they are awake and who might be with them.

"We should be able to use our cell phones without them creating a virtual map of our movements and associations," Freiwald argued.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
I found this article on my WII-news channel and did a Google-search to find it. It was a fairly difficult article to find, so, copy / paste it for you all to see and read. What are your thoughts on this?
 
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