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Sentry, I and others were having a Bible study about who the tribes of Israel were mainly the Jews who had departed from the other tribes to cease arguing with their brothers tribes of Judah Levi and some from Benjimin.

During this Jesus was in conflict with the the other Israelites aka jews House of Judah or they were pretending to be jews or had left God,not sure.

Jn.4:12 a Samaritan woman comes to the well and ask Jesus if he was than their father Jacob which gave them the well and drank from it himself proves she is also an Israelite because she called Jacob her father. So she is of The House Of Israel and The Pharasees must be from the House of Judah because these two houses seperated House of Israel took N.Israel House of Judah took S.Israel.
JN. 4:20 Woman told Jesus their fathers worshiped in that mountain and He says to worship in Jerusalem.
Jn.4:22 Jesus said times coming when you will not worship in that mountain or in Jerusalem.

Jn.4:22 Ye worship you know not what;we know what we worship; BECAUSE SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS. [ this is what the debate is about.]

Jn.4:23 Hour coming and NOW IS when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for this is what The Father seeks.

JN.24:24 God is spirit they that worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
 

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With all respect.
I do not care if he was a Jew or not.
My only Question is, is he God or the son of God.
Nothing else matters.
 

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Jesus was Born a Jew

Jesus is a real, historical person, born in the Land of Israel, during the Roman occupation, in approximately the year 3 BCE. However, at the time His name was actually pronounced, "Yeshua," and that is the name used in this article.

That Yeshua was born Jewish is one of the least contested truths of the Bible. The very first verse of the New Covenant reads: The book of the genealogy of Messiah Yeshua ("Jesus Christ"), the son of David, the son of Abraham (Matt. 1:1). Who were Abraham and David?

Abraham was the first Hebrew. God changed his name from Abram (Gen. 17:5). In Gen. 14:13 he is called Abram the Hebrew. So we can see that Yeshua (Jesus) is descended from "Abram the Hebrew." Even to this day, Jews are also called "Hebrews", and the language of the Jews is "Hebrew."

Abraham and his descendants were given the unconditional covenant of the Promised Land (Gen. 17:8) and the covenant of circumcision (Gen. 17:10). Abraham is the father of the Jews (Acts 3:12-25). Isaac was his son and Jacob was his grandson (Matt. 1:2). Thus, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are known as the Patriarchs, the fathers of the Jews.

Jacob's name was changed by God to "Israel" (Gen. 35:10-12) and he had twelve sons (Gen. 35:23-26) from whom come the Twelve Tribes of Israel. All of their descendants are known collectively throughout the Bible as the Children of Israel (Ex. 1:6-7).

One of those twelve sons was Judah (Gen. 35:23, Matt. 1:2) and it is from his name that we get the word 'Jew'. Although Yehudah (Judah) was only one of the twelve, by 700 BCE, because of the course of Israel's history, the word Yehudee (Jew) came to mean any person descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Jer. 34:9). So, for instance, Saul haShaliach (the Apostle Paul) was of the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1) yet he self-identified as a Jew (Acts 22:3).

Nevertheless, according to the Bible, the Messiah must be descended from the tribe of Judah (Gen. 49:10) as King David was (1Sam. 17:12, 1Ch. 28:4) and descended from King David himself (2Sam. 7:12-13, Isa. 9:6-7, Jer. 23:5-6). That is why the Messiah is called Son of David (Matt. 21:9).

Yeshua (Jesus) is from the Tribe of Judah (Heb. 7:14). His earthly father was descended from David (Matt. 1:6-16) and His mother was as well (Luke 1:27, 32-34, 3:23-31).

In addition, Yeshua was born King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). The King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish (Deut. 17:15). His aunt Elizabeth was Jewish (a descendant of Aaron, Moses' brother) and His uncle Zacharia was a Jewish priest (Luke 1:5, 36). Yeshua was circumcised according to Jewish law (Luke 2:21, Lev. 12:2-3), and redeemed according to Jewish law (Luke 2:22-23, Num. 18:15). His mother atoned according to Jewish law (Luke 2:24, Lev. 12:6-8). He is called The Consolation of Israel (Luke 2:25) and The Glory of Thy People Israel (Luke 2:32). Jesus was born a Jew.

Jesus lived as a Jew

Although He was born in Bethlehem (Matt. 2:1, Micah 5:2), Yeshua was raised in Nazareth (Luke 2:39-40). Both were Jewish towns at the time, according to archeologists and historians. Bethlehem is just south of Jerusalem while Nazareth is north, in the Galilee section. Both of Yeshua's parents were from Nazareth (Luke 1:26-27, 2:4, 39) and they returned there with the Child when they had done everything according to the Law of the Lord that His birth required (Luke 2:39). His aunt and uncle were also Torah observant Jews (Luke 1:6) so we can see that probably the whole family took their faith very seriously.

Yeshua's parents made the 140 mile (225 m.) round trip to Jerusalem every Passover (Luke 2:41) in observance of Deut. 16:16. It was at the age of twelve that Yeshua stayed behind an extra three days to learn from the Temple teachers (Luke 2:46). Although He already understood the Torah well (Luke 2:47), His attitude of listening and questioning indicates love of the Hebrew scripture and respect for the teachers. He also respected the Temple itself, calling it His Father's (Luke 2:49). Near the end of His life, He praised a widow for giving all she had to the Temple (Luke 21:1-4).

In adult life, His disciples were Jews (John 1:47, Matt. 20:25-26) and they called Him 'Rabbi' (John 4:31). Mary called Him 'Rabboni' (John 20:16). They sought Him because they believed the Torah and the Prophets (John 1:45).

A Pharisee who had not yet come to faith in Him also addressed Yeshua as 'Rabbi' (John 3:2), as did a crowd of people (John 6:25). A Samaritan woman easily recognized He was a Jew (John 4:9).

Yeshua's disciples spoke Hebrew (John 1:38, 41) and so did He, as well as Chaldean, a closely-related language brought back by the Jews from their captivity in Babylon (Matt. 27:46). In the sermon on the mount He affirmed the authority of the Torah and the Prophets (Matt. 5:17) even in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 5:19-20). He regularly attended synagogue (Luke 4:16) and His teaching was respected by the other congregants (Luke 4:15). He taught in the Jewish Temple (Luke 21:37) and if He were not a Jew, His going into that part of the Temple would not have been allowed (Acts 21:28-30).

Although He differed with some of His contemporaries on how to keep the commandments (Matt. 12:12), He did not disagree on whether to keep them, saying such things as,"if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments," (Matt. 19:17). When He healed someone of leprosy, he instructed him to,"show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded..." (Matt. 8:4, Lev. 14).

Yeshua not only taught others how to live a Jewish life, He lived it Himself. The outward signs of this were such things as wearing tzitzit (tassles) on His clothing (Luke 8:43, Matt. 14:36, Strong's # 2899) to serve as a reminder of the commandments (Num. 15:37-39). He observed Passover (John 2:13) and went up to Jerusalem (Deut. 16:16). He observed Succot (John 7:2, 10) and went up to Jerusalem (John 7:14). He also observed Hanukah (John 10:22) and probably Rosh haShanah (John 5:1), going up to Jerusalem on both those occasions as well, even though it isn't commanded in the Torah.

The inward sign of His Judaism was a circumcised heart (Deut. 10:16, 30:6).

When faced with temptation, Yeshua answered from the Hebrew Scripture (Matt. 4:2-10, Deut. 8:3, 6:16, 6:13). When teaching, He taught from the Hebrew Scripture (Matt. 22:42-45). When admonishing, He quoted from the Hebrew Scripture (Mk. 7:6-13).

Yeshua self-identified as a Jew (John 4:22) and as King of the Jews (Mk. 15:2). From His birth to His last Passover seder (Luke 22:14-15), Jesus lived as a Jew.

Jesus died a Jew

When Yeshua was taken prisoner by a Roman captain, his cohort, and some Jewish officials (John 18:12), He was delivered into the custody of the Jewish priests, elders, and scribes (Mk. 14:53). The Roman soldiers would not have placed Him under Jewish jurisdiction if He were not Jewish.

Later, Yeshua was brought before the Sanhedrin, the Jewish council (Luke 22:66). He was charged with an offense against Jewish Law (Matt. 26:65-66, Lev. 24:13-14, John 19:7). Pilate, head of the Roman occupation, also recognized Jewish jurisdiction over Yeshua (John 18:31). This was because Yeshua was a Jew (John 18:35).

He unequivocally identified Himself as the Messiah (Mk. 14:61-62) and as we have seen above, the Messiah must be Jewish. He said He is the King of the Jews (Matt. 27:11) and, as we have also seen above, the King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish. The Jewish crowd also called Him 'King of the Jews' (Mk. 15:12). He was mocked, spat on and beaten by the Roman soldiers as 'King of the Jews' (Mk. 15:16-20) and when they crucified Him, their charge was 'King of the Jews' (Matt. 27:37).

The place of judgment had a Hebrew place-name (John 19:13) and the place of crucifixion had a Hebrew place-name (Mk. 15:22).

Joseph of Arimethea, who took custody of Yeshua's body, was Jewish (Luke 23:50-52) and he laid the body in his own new tomb (Matt. 27:59-60). Therefore, Yeshua was buried in a Jewish cemetery. He was also buried according to Jewish custom of the time (John 19:40). Without doubt, Jesus died a Jew.

Jesus was resurrected a Jew

Yeshua the risen Jew told his Jewish disciples to go out and teach all the Gentiles (Matt. 28:19, Strong's # 1484).

Then, after eating, talking and walking with His disciples, Yeshua, "lifted up His hands and blessed them" (Luke 24:50). What blessing is spoken with lifted hands? The Aaronic Benediction (Num. 6:24-26) is given in Synagogues and in Churches even to our day, and in the Synagogues it is still given as it was more than a thousand years before the resurrected Jew Jesus gave it: with lifted hands. In fact, another name for the Aaronic Benediction is "The Lifting up of Hands." (see Sketches of Jewish Social Life in the Days of Christ. Ch.XVII. A. Edersheim. Eerdmans pub.)

Rav Sha'ul (the apostle Paul) tells us that while he was on the road to Damascus Yeshua spoke to him from heaven in Hebrew (Acts 26:14). Sha'ul, a Jew who was born a Roman citizen (Acts 22:27-28), was fluent in Greek (Acts 21:37) and possibly many other languages, but Yeshua spoke to him in Hebrew, the language of the Jews.

Sha'ul did not become a believer until well after Yeshua's death and resurrection, yet an important part of his message is that Yeshua is a descendant of the Jewish king David (2Tim. 2:8).

Many years after His resurrection, Yeshua testified that He is the root and offspring of king David (Rev. 22:16), and in a time yet future, two of His titles will be Lion of the tribe of Judah, and Root of David (Rev. 5:5).

In Matt. 24:20 He told us to pray concerning the coming tribulation, that we would not have to flee on the Sabbath. And in Matt. 26:27-29 Yeshua told the disciples that He will celebrate the Passover seder anew with us in His Father's kingdom.

The standard He will use at the judgement is the Law God gave the Jews. To those who do not do the will of God, He will say, "Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (Matt. 7:22-23, Strong's # 458, 459).

In (Heb. 13:8) we are told Yeshua the Messiah is the same yesterday, today and forever. So, if He ever was a Jew He was resurrected a Jew, and He is one to this day.

He was born a Jew, He lived a Jew, He died a Jew, and He was resurrected a Jew. He is alive and Jewish now, and forevermore the same.
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JN.5:10 The Jews aka Pharasee said it unlawful to worship on the Sabbath Day. [ This is the beginning of the Jews going after Jesus for breaking their laws.]

John.8:41 you do the deeds of your father. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning ,and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. He is a liar and the father of lies. John.8: 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it and was glad. [ I take it Abraham saw it from heaven ].

Revelation 11: 8 [ Calling Jerusalem Sodom and Egypt. ] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city which is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crusified.
 

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The biblical testimony is plain, Jesus was certainly a Jew.

As all human beings, Jesus Christ was born in a particular place and at a specific time in history. Although His Father was God (through the agency of the Holy Spirit), His mother was a Jewish woman named Mary. Her husband, Joseph, was Jesus' legal father or guardian. According to the genealogy from Mary, on His human side Christ is descended from the Israelite tribal patriarch Judah and his descendant King David (Luke 3:31, Luke 3:33; compare Acts 2:30; 2 Timothy 2:8).

The biblical testimony is plain. The book of Hebrews tells us that "it is evident that our Lord arose from [the tribe of] Judah …" (7:14). And those descended from Judah are known by the abbreviated term Jews. The apostle John wrote that "He came to His own [the Jews], and His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11). Both a Samaritan woman and the Roman governor Pontius Pilate clearly recognized that Jesus was Jewish (John 4:9; John 18:35).

We are further told that "the scepter shall not depart from Judah" (Genesis 49:10). The scepter symbolizes the promise of kingship and salvation. Jesus, the King of the Jews, is the Messiah. Christ (the Greek term for Messiah) is the ultimate fulfillment of the ruler mentioned prophetically in 1 Chronicles 5:2: "Yet Judah prevailed over his brothers, and from him came a ruler."

The Bible's final book refers to Jesus as "the Lion of the tribe of Judah" (Revelation 5:5). On Jesus' human side, David is called His father, meaning ancestor, in Luke 1:32. Romans 1:3 likewise says he "was born of the seed of David according to the flesh." Thus, from numerous testimonies, He was certainly a Jew.

What ultimately counts, however, is that He is the Savior of all mankind because He died for all men, women and children, regardless of their race or other ethnicity (John 3:15-17). Indeed, in Christ we are told that there is no division between Jew and gentile-for all become one in Him (Galatians 3:28).
https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/who-is-god/jesus-was-a-jew
 

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Shaye I.D. Cohen:
Samuel Ungerleider Professor of Judaic Studies and Professor of Religious Studies Brown University

Was Jesus Jewish and, if he was, how would that have influenced his experiences as a young man growing up in Galilee?

Was Jesus a Jew? Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He lived, was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. This is obvious to any casual reader of the gospel text. What's striking is not so much that he was a Jew but that the gospels make no pretense that he wasn't. The gospels have no sense yet that Jesus was anything other than a Jew. The gospels don't even have a sense that he came to found a new religion, an idea completely foreign to all the gospel text, and completely foreign to Paul. That is an idea which comes about only later. So, to say that he was a Jew is saying a truism, is simply stating an idea that is so obvious on the face of it, one wonders it even needs to be said. But, of course, it does need to be said because we all know what happens later in the story, where it turns out that Christianity becomes something other than Judaism and as a result, Jesus in retrospect is seen not as a Jew, but as something else, as a founder of Christianity. But, of course, he was a Jew.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/jesus/bornliveddied.html
 

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Rev.21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth was passed away;and there was no more sea. { no sea proves the earth is nolonger inhabital].
 

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Yet when it comes to the pew, even when Christians acknowledge that Jesus was a Jew, there is little content to the label. Nor are things much better on the Jewish side. Jesus is one of ours, both by practice and by halacha, Jewish law. Plus, his mom is Jewish (we'll leave aside the question of his father). Yet we Jews don't acknowledge him. Frankly, if we Jews are willing to acknowledge such Jews as Freud, the Marxes (Karl and Groucho), Einstein, and Adam Sandler, why not acknowledge Jesus as a fellow Jew? That does not mean that we need to cite him in a worship context. Otherwise put: Jews can appreciate much of the message of the Kingdom of Heaven without worshiping the messenger.

How "Jewish" was Jesus?

He dresses like a Jew, even to the point of wearing of tzitzit fringes, for it is fringes that people reach out out to touch in hopes of a healing.

He eats like a Jew--that is, he keeps kosher. In Mark's gospel, there is a verse that states Jesus declared all foods clean, but this is Mark's editing and not something Jesus did. To the contrary, not only did he keep kosher, but all his immediate followers did as well. In fact, one of the major debates in the early Church was whether gentiles who followed Jesus needed to do so as well. The conclusion: they didn't.

He teaches in synagogues and the Temple in Jerusalem, and he shows enormous respect for the mitzvot, the commandments, so much so that he debates how they are best to be understood and enacted. He did not find the Torah, the Law, a burden but a delight.

He honors the Sabbath and keeps it holy, and his comment, "The Sabbath was made for people not people for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27) finds a connection in the Talmud. Commenting on Exodus 31.14, "For the Sabbath is holy to you," tractate Yoma 85b interprets, "The Sabbath is given to you; you are not to be delivered to the Sabbath." That is, the celebration of Shabbat should be one of joy, not of constraint; of rest rather than fear of transgressing a commandment.

In terms of epitomizing, summarizing, the teaching of his faith, he's right on track. Legend has it that Rabbi Hillel--one of Judaism's greatest teachers--was asked by a potential follower, "Teach me the Torah--that is, teach me all of your traditions, your values, your practices, and your theology--while standing on one foot." Hillel wisely responded: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. All the rest is commentary, go and learn." A few decades later, Jesus instructed his followers, "In everything, do to others as you would have them do to you, for this is the law and the prophets" (Matt. 7:12).

When we extend Jesus' teachings from single lines to prayer, we again find continuity with Judaism. Let's start with "our father, who is in heaven..." Jews typically called, and still call God "Father." As Malachi 2:10 asks, "Have we not all one father?" But the opening offers more than piety. It also concerns politics. The Caesars were called "father" along with titles such as god, son of god, and savior. By speaking of the "father in heaven," Jesus, and his fellow Jews, insisted that Rome is not the "true" father.

Concerning "Hallowed by your name," the making sacred of God's name is a component of most Jewish prayers, especially the Kaddish, which begins, "Magnified and sanctified be [God's] great name."

"Your kingdom come" echoes Judaism's concern with the olam ha-bah, the world to come, a time marked by universal peace.

"Your will be done?" Jesus does this by doing what Jews have always done: building a fence about the law. For example, to those who heard the commandment, "Do not swear falsely," he stated, "don't swear at all."

"Give us this day our daily bread" evokes Jewish texts that portray heaven as a banquet. What do we do in the world to come, the olam ha-ba? We eat, for this is a time when no one goes hungry. The Greek expression (the New Testament is written in Greek) translated as "daily bread" probably meant, in Jesus' original Aramaic, "tomorrow's bread." Thus the prayer asks for "tomorrow's bread today"; it seeks the coming of the messianic age, when we can all--Jews, Christians, everyone--eat at the messianic banquet.

As for "forgive us our trespasses"--the original was "forgive us our debts" (as the Sermon on the Mount puts it). The call here is for economic justice, in fact for the Jubilee year when all debts are forgiven. It says, "don't hold a debt. If someone needs, you give." As Habakkuk puts it, "Alas for you who heap up what Is not your own! How long will you load yourselves with goods taken in pledge" (2:6).

"Lead us not into Temptation" is better translated as, "Do not bring us to the test." Jewish tradition talks about tests given to humans--particularly worthy humans. God decided to "test" Abraham, as the story of the Akedah, the binding of Isaac, begins. The prayer ends, "And deliver us from evil" or, better, "the evil one" who is, of course, Satan. And we recall the testing of Job.

To understand Jesus in his historical context helps us Jews understand our own history better even as it helps Christians understand their own tradition. I find, as a member of an Orthodox synagogue and as a professor of New Testament Studies in a predominantly Christian divinity school, the more I learn about Jesus in his historical context, the more I come to know, and to appreciate, my own Jewish tradition.
http://www.interfaithfamily.com/spirituality/spirituality/Jesus_the_Jew.shtml
 

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That is a lot to answer and look up. Thanks Sentry for pasting or writing it all out.

Of course Jesus was a Hebrew aka Jew from tribe of David and Judah. Not disputing that at all never have.

We are talking about the new age tribes who are apostates and sure don't follow any commandment's. Take a look at Israel today called Sodom and Egypt in Rev. and is anything but Holy. It has never been about the Israelite tribe of Judah, it is about those who call themselves jews but are not.

Don't forget also that the fist time the word jew aka House of Judah was mentioned in the Bible it was at war with its brother Israel. Before this they were known as the two houses of Israel, House of Israel House of Judah. One was of the priesthood because they were the ones who taught the laws to the others.

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The point is that it is not because of the 2 1/2 or so tribes that we are saved.

It is because of God sending His Son to earth to pay for our sins. The Jews aka Israelite's , or House of Judah or House of Israel did not save anyone. The promise of Abraham was given to the Israelite first then to us the gentiles
[ and even that is in question of who are the tribes of Israel and seems everyone is claiming that they are aka lost 10 tribes. Sure don't want to get o n that subject though this one is hard enough but I like to study and learn but not all at once. ]

Thank yall fro studying with me I always learn from these studies.
 

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My first mistake was trying to be PC in my thread title. So I wouldn't offend anyone I wrote out the subject wrong.

I have NEVER question Jesus ancestry. :eek: And I mean NEVER. But I couldn't figure out a way to put it without it looking like I was attacking all Jews.

Far as the new age jews of today go they could not possibly be the ones Abraham spoke of. There are Hebrews today who are of tribes of Judah and ben,Levi, but they are not in support of wars or Israel. They are in wait for their Messiah and have nothing to do with our salvation.

Gen. 32:17...That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shores; and thy seed shall possess the gates of his enemies; [18] And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed ; because thou has obeyed my voice.

Of course the jews of today or yesterday have never been that large in number for this verse to be referring to them. Yet it could be referring to all the tribes of Israel before the new persecution of them.

Read in Deuteronomy about the blessings Moses gives to the tribes of Israel .It also helps to figure out who these tribes are. find out who received the blessings and you'll locate the Children of Abraham.

Deut. 33: 1 - 29. All tribes blessings.

God loves all his people every race and nation on earth but He also punishes those who follow other gods. Jesus was sent to all of us. But God also set up nations and and destroyed Babel because as witnessed today too many gods make bad company. Jesus did not come to change the law but to fulfill the law.

He did NOT turn His Kingdom over to any certain people to rule over us either,especially ones who don't even believe in him but humor His people to benefit.

The point of my whole thing about todays jews.
 

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This is what they say in public but what they say in private and to each other about Jesus is some of the worst things you could say and I have put them up cursing Him a few times but it was ignored. And it is too ugly to keep putting up again and again. Adam Sandler ? :eek:

Zionist use Christians to advance their own agendas and it is very lucrative scheme. We sacrifice our lives and that of our children for them. We allow them to control our economy. This is fact not attack. So unless you can prove otherwise then don't take it personal because most of you are not jews.

Christians attack and even hate other Christians thinking they are friends with Gods special people well that is not what the Bible really says. Jesus came to fulfill the law not hand it over to anyone else to hold over us. Especially those who don't accept Him.

I can't see Jesus saying " I know the jews don't think I'm the Messiah but yall obey them and thank them for your salvation.

In the end days most of Israel will be destroyed. And only a remnant will be saved. I think that goes for most of us personally. I don't think we can do whatever we want backslide and get away with it. Hope I'm wrong for my own sake. I'm sure nto ready to meet my maker.

JUST MY OPINION ON WHAT I UNDERSTAND SO FAR, nothing more.
 

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Well this was short and sweet, thank goodness for the sweet.

As did the Barians 'spl' we should prove all things. Or in this case just beleive whatever is popular.

My fault because the thread title was stupid on my part anyway and was not what I meant at all, stepping on tiptoes to try nto offend does that to people.:surrender:

Anyway convinces us against our will makes us of the same opinion still. Vanity aka pride goeth before the fall and we all have that.

I still say that most who call themselves jews are not Semitic Hebrews at all or if so they have left God long ago. Israel is not a Godly nation and the wall they beat their heads on and slip in notes is't even the temple mount wall according to many historian's.
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My first mistake was trying to be PC in my thread title. So I wouldn't offend anyone I wrote out the subject wrong.

I have NEVER question Jesus ancestry. :eek: And I mean NEVER. But I couldn't figure out a way to put it without it looking like I was attacking all Jews.

Every one has always said that God is all powerful.
He is the one true GOD.

I think he can take a question or two.
He is bigger, wiser than any of us, so he understands that sometime we need
to question what is, to understand.
Faith in God is not destroyed by asking Questions.
God is all powerful, so he understands that we need to know, to understand
why thing are as they are.

But what do I know. I am just a human being.
 

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I have NEVER question Jesus ancestry. :eek: And I mean NEVER. But I couldn't figure out a way to put it without it looking like I was attacking all Jews.

Every one has always said that God is all powerful.
He is the one true GOD.

I think he can take a question or two.
He is bigger, wiser than any of us, so he understands that sometime we need
to question what is, to understand.
Faith in God is not destroyed by asking Questions.
God is all powerful, so he understands that we need to know, to understand
why thing are as they are.

But what do I know. I am just a human being.
Proverbs 25:2 agrees with you.

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.

[And for the record, we [Christians) are Kings as we are co-heirs with Christ].
 

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When I studied Hebrew at the Hebrew School at the "Shuhl" (Synagogue), we learned that the "Ha," "ha," is an article like the.

The Judah baby born in Bethlehem was named Yohoshu'ah, ha Noovotsree. The Bible Jesus was named Yohoshu'ah ha Mashe'ach. Mashee'akh is savior, messiah in Greek. In phonetics that would be yo ho shoo'ah ha mah shee'akh.

Apparently a lot of "Israelite" *********** people misread or mislearned Hebrew and then taught other people who didn't know the difference.

I hear it all the time "Hamashee'ah instead of ha Mashee'akh. Yeshua instead of Yohoshu'ah.

There was the Land of Israel, Ha Eretz Yisra;el, which split into two kingdoms, the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. Ten tribes aligned with the House of Israel and two were in Judah.

Who is the Lion of Judah?

Yohoshu'ah was 14 generations from David Malech, (King David) and David was 14 generations from Avraham (Abraham).

One can learn a lot at the synagogue even though one is not "Jewish."

Why do people call the Hyundai (Hyoon dai) the Honday?
 

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When I studied Hebrew at the Hebrew School at the "Shuhl" (Synagogue), we learned that the "Ha," "ha," is an article like the.

The Judah baby born in Bethlehem was named Yohoshu'ah, ha Noovotsree. The Bible Jesus was named Yohoshu'ah ha Mashe'ach. Mashee'akh is savior, messiah in Greek. In phonetics that would be yo ho shoo'ah ha mah shee'akh.

Apparently a lot of "Israelite" *********** people misread or mislearned Hebrew and then taught other people who didn't know the difference.

I hear it all the time "Hamashee'ah instead of ha Mashee'akh. Yeshua instead of Yohoshu'ah.

There was the Land of Israel, Ha Eretz Yisra;el, which split into two kingdoms, the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. Ten tribes aligned with the House of Israel and two were in Judah.

Who is the Lion of Judah?

Yohoshu'ah was 14 generations from David Malech, (King David) and David was 14 generations from Avraham (Abraham).

One can learn a lot at the synagogue even though one is not "Jewish."

Why do people call the Hyundai (Hyoon dai) the Honday?
About 30 yr.s ago I too studied a little Hebrew not so much Greek though. Then grand kids were born and changes of life so I had to stop for awhile.
I did all this from library because I had never touched a computer at the time.

It is hard to debate religion so many are already convinced.

What brought up the subject about Jews was my discussion with my daughter and seeing what is going on and who is behind most of it.Or is it just a few who use a few of these groups to do their dirty work? If I knew I wouldn't be asking or still studying.
I'm sure many here have already learned a lot from these threads. Most people I talk to didn't know there were tow house of Israel much less any other studies.
I do not belong to any religion but agree Jesus was the Son Of God imo today.
 

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When I studied Hebrew at the Hebrew School at the "Shuhl" (Synagogue), we learned that the "Ha," "ha," is an article like the.

The Judah baby born in Bethlehem was named Yohoshu'ah, ha Noovotsree. The Bible Jesus was named Yohoshu'ah ha Mashe'ach. Mashee'akh is savior, messiah in Greek. In phonetics that would be yo ho shoo'ah ha mah shee'akh.

Apparently a lot of "Israelite" *********** people misread or mislearned Hebrew and then taught other people who didn't know the difference.

I hear it all the time "Hamashee'ah instead of ha Mashee'akh. Yeshua instead of Yohoshu'ah.

There was the Land of Israel, Ha Eretz Yisra;el, which split into two kingdoms, the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. Ten tribes aligned with the House of Israel and two were in Judah.

Who is the Lion of Judah?

Yohoshu'ah was 14 generations from David Malech, (King David) and David was 14 generations from Avraham (Abraham).

One can learn a lot at the synagogue even though one is not "Jewish."

Why do people call the Hyundai (Hyoon dai) the Honday?
" Voor Trekker,said : Apparently a lot of " Isarelite " *********** PEOPLE misread or mislearned Hebrew anf then taught other people who didn't know the difference. "

This is what cases problems and brings racism into subjects. Then my threads get closed and I get into trouble.

Please just stick to subject I don't think this is about ' ***********".:surrender:
 
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