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Hi all sorry I haven't posted lately, I was arrested last week for the above mentioned charge. I am amazed by it, it is kind of a catch all charge the government has the police use when they can't think of any other law. All I was doing was cutting the grass in a park. I often think that if the government started rounding up its citizens charges like this would be used. What a way to enforce a police state! :eek: I'm back now and will try to keep enjoying the site.:D
 

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Please tell us more. I'm a little confused. Do you work for the parks department? What actually happened? Details will help. What were you doing that they didn't like?
 

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Please tell us more. I'm a little confused. Do you work for the parks department? What actually happened? Details will help. What were you doing that they didn't like?
I am a self employed taxpaying citizen, google (John Hamilton Sandusky Ohio )or (man arrested for mowing grass) or go to the Sandusky Register and read their stories in the paper from last week. The blogs are quite interesting:eek::D:)
 

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yeah, I mow about a mile along the main road my street connects to & have been asked why I was doing it my reply is always "cuz it looks like $h!t, it's a vision-obstruction hazard & it's bringing my property values down"

NO good deed goes unpunished my friend

"be patient, Mr. Hamilton, and the government (with it's overpaid, underskilled workforce) will take care of it... eventually"

wouldn't be surprised if it was a 'union man' originally complained, I used to get THAT crap from union laborers all the time

"HEY! that's OUR work!"

"well, if it's YOUR work, get off your a$$ and DO it"

"after our break"
 

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"According to the police report, he was seen mowing the grass by Penny Randleman, a forestry department employee."

Anybody want to bet that the city employees (all 3 of them) are deliberately leaving the grass unmowed, to 'dramatize' the fact that their funding is very important and shouldn't be cut?...

... and that your REAL crime was to disrupt this little bit of slow-motion political theatre?

I sent your name to Bill O'Reilley as a nomination for Pinheads & Patriots (as a patriot... I think ;) )
 

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yeah, I mow about a mile along the main road my street connects to & have been asked why I was doing it my reply is always "cuz it looks like $h!t, it's a vision-obstruction hazard & it's bringing my property values down"

NO good deed goes unpunished my friend

"be patient, Mr. Hamilton, and the government (with it's overpaid, underskilled workforce) will take care of it... eventually"

wouldn't be surprised if it was a 'union man' originally complained, I used to get THAT crap from union laborers all the time

"HEY! that's OUR work!"

"well, if it's YOUR work, get off your a$$ and DO it"

"after our break"
Where I live in Florida the law says that a property owner is responsible for keeping the public right-of-way adjacent to his property mowed and clean. My mother used to run a neighborhood grocery store and she was responsible for sweeping the sidewalk every day. She even had to get property records to prove to the building inspector that the vacant lot behind the store was not part of the store's property so she wouldn't have to sweep the sidewalk in front of the vacant lot.

If you live in society, you have obligations to society that can be enforced by law. Get over it.
 

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"According to the police report, he was seen mowing the grass by Penny Randleman, a forestry department employee."

Anybody want to bet that the city employees (all 3 of them) are deliberately leaving the grass unmowed, to 'dramatize' the fact that their funding is very important and shouldn't be cut?...

... and that your REAL crime was to disrupt this little bit of slow-motion political theatre?

I sent your name to Bill O'Reilley as a nomination for Pinheads & Patriots (as a patriot... I think ;) )
There has got to be more to this story than public employees not doing their job. This day and age there are precious few people who would be willing to look out for publicly-owned property. Far too many people live by the motto, "I've got mine".

If the grass-mowing took place in a city park, why was a forestry service worker there to witness it? Just what kind of park was involved?
 

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If you live in society, you have obligations to society that can be enforced by law. Get over it.
soooo... his obligation here was to just ignore it, 'get over it' as it were?... just watch kids play, not in a nice soft green veldt, but in an overgrown jungle good for hiding bodies (if not bodies then a bit of trash from accounts)?

nice

the activist isn't the person who sits & bitches about how bad things are, the activist is the guy who gets up and DOES something about it
 

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His obligation is to obey the law, or if the law is unjust to use constitutional means to have it changed.
From what an attourney has told me, the use of Persistant Disorderly Conduct can only be used if a law has been established that a citizen cannot mow the park. No ordinance like this has ever been passed in the city. (I'm sure that I'm one of the first people to ever get off their duff and try to help out.) Since there isn't a prescident the police cannot use that charge. This was argued up to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1963, they threw it out because they said it would be establishing a Police State if people could be arrested for what ever with this charge. The police also hadto call the city prossecutor and ask what to charge me with. I was busy cleaning up a big mess.;)
 

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In order to speed things up a bit:

The Associated Press: Ohio man arrested for mowing unkempt grass at park

GoogleNews said:
Ohio man arrested for mowing unkempt grass at park
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SANDUSKY, Ohio (AP) - An Ohio man arrested for mowing unkempt grass at a public park said he just wanted to make his city look nice. John Hamilton said he took control of the situation because the grass in Sandusky's Central Park was about a foot high. According to a police report, a witness said Hamilton was blowing grass onto the sidewalk and shredding trash in the park that had not been picked up.

Police said they arrested 48-year-old Hamilton after he refused to stop mowing and charged him with obstructing official business and disorderly conduct.

City Manager Matt Kline called the arrest unfortunate and said he understands Hamilton's frustration. Kline said budget cuts have left Sandusky understaffed for seasonal maintenance work.
Sandusky Man Arrested for Mowing Grass in City Park - WJW - With video

Fox8 News said:
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SANDUSKY, Ohio -- - John Hamilton of Sandusky says he was inspired by news reports of the Toledo mayor cutting grass around that city on his day off. As John rode around his own home town he tells FOX 8 News he couldn't help but notice tall grass around vacant homes and in the city's Parks, and with spare time of his own felt he could do something positive.

On Thursday morning it bothered him seeing children waiting for a school bus at Central park, where the grass was more than a foot high. So he went to a shop he shares with his brother, got his riding mower and set out to make the park look better. "We have some really beautiful parks here in Sandusky" he told Fox 8 "I was only trying to save the city some money."

As he started cutting the grass, however, Hamilton says a city worker who saw him there went over to ask him to stop. He says the employee showed him a list of places they were preparing to cut the grass themselves. "I told them to go ahead and do the others and I'll do this one".

Moments later police showed up.

Hamilton admits police asked him to stop, but he told them how frustrated he was with the way the parks look and that he wanted to continue. "They said they empathize with my concerns" but as John continued to cut the grass against their wishes he officers contacted their superior officer, who told them to issue one more warning and then if John continued to arrest him for persistent disorderly conduct and obstructing official business.

The Hamilton refused, and was arrested, taken away in handcuffs. A police report obtained by Fox 8 shows one of the officers measured the grass, which was in fact more than a foot high. City crews finished cutting the grass there later on Thursday.

Police say he was asked to stop, not because Hamilton was mowing the lawn, but because there was a liability involved. The acting police chief tells Fox 8 News that the park was littered with trash and Hamilton was mowing over all of it. City Manager Mat Kline says there were bottles and other debris that were being thrown by his mower into the street. Kline also says there are employee issues with unions that are supposed to cut the grass that had to be considered.

The City Manager says he encourages citizens to volunteer in the community, and in fact there is a program that allows residents to adopt a part and take care of it, but you have to properly register. Kline admits the city, like many others, has some budgetary issues it has to deal with. "We have over 600 acres of grounds to maintain" he told Fox 8 News "and often we have only three people to take care of it. We knew grass was going to be an issue months ago" he says, adding the city asked everyone to be patient with them as they try to catch up in the spring.

Hamilton was arraigned in municipal court early Friday. He says he has no regrets, and hopes the attention to his arrest will inspire others to get involved in doing something for the city. "The only thing im worried about is...how am I going to tell my wife".
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BTW: Is that an aluminum body from Aqualu on your CJ5?
 

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From what an attourney has told me, the use of Persistant Disorderly Conduct can only be used if a law has been established that a citizen cannot mow the park. No ordinance like this has ever been passed in the city. (I'm sure that I'm one of the first people to ever get off their duff and try to help out.) Since there isn't a prescident the police cannot use that charge. This was argued up to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1963, they threw it out because they said it would be establishing a Police State if people could be arrested for what ever with this charge. The police also hadto call the city prossecutor and ask what to charge me with. I was busy cleaning up a big mess.;)
From what an attourney has told me, the use of Persistant Disorderly Conduct can only be used if a law has been established that a citizen cannot mow the park.
But is your mowing the grass in the public park the act that constituted persistent disorderly conduct? No.

Sandusky Man Arrested for Mowing Grass in City Park - WJW

"Hamilton admits police asked him to stop…but as John continued to cut the grass against their wishes he officers contacted their superior officer, who told them to issue one more warning and then if John continued to arrest him for persistent disorderly conduct and obstructing official business."

You were not charged for mowing grass in a public park; you were charged because you defied the police and obstructed the normal operation of your city government. "Police say he was asked to stop, not because Hamilton was mowing the lawn, but because there was a liability involved. The acting police chief tells Fox 8 News that the park was littered with trash and Hamilton was mowing over all of it. City Manager Mat Kline says there were bottles and other debris that were being thrown by his mower into the street. Kline also says there are employee issues with unions that are supposed to cut the grass that had to be considered."
 

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So is your riding mower in the police impound next to all the gangster cars with spinning rims?
No, but to blend in it now has spinners, a Labron Bobblehead on the dash and a big base speaker mounted behind the drivers seat.:D
 

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You need to put a blower on it. You could mow the whole park in two minutes and be gone. They'd be like "who was that masked man?"
 

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You should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. An Eye for an Eye, A Tooth for a Tooth and all that.
Your punishment ? - The city will be coming to your house and mowing your lawn. :D
 

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Liability?? So what did the city do that was so different when they finished the job?? And why all the sudden did the workers find the time to finish what you started when they hadn't tried to cut it all in the time it took to grow that foot? Kudos to you, I hope your neighbors feel the same way :cool:
 
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