Obama backs NYC mosque?!

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  1. OldCootHillbilly

    OldCootHillbilly Reverend Coot

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    I can't beleive it, what a slap in the face. The folks what died that day er rollin in there graves!

    Mans a idiot!
     
  2. jungatheart

    jungatheart Beginner's Mind

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    What a POS! C'mon 2012.
     

  3. fobhomestead

    fobhomestead Well-Known Member

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    And this is a surprise, how??

    ;) I am not surprised. :crossfinger: I hope people start listening so they can do the right thing in 2012. I can hope in one hand and Sh*t in the other tho... I know which one I am going to believe!
     
  4. mosquitomountainman

    mosquitomountainman I invented the internet. :rofl:

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    Since when did Muslims ever care about freedom of relgion for anyone else?

    Owebama is a disgrace.
     
  5. horseman09

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    Ya know what? ObaMao's endorsement is a good thing.

    His opinion does not carry any legal weight so, all he has done is alienate more potential voters. Let him keep saying stupid things and let him keep reinforcing the already obvious -- he is a closet Muslim.

    Let him talk his way into a crushing defeat in 2012. Good ridance.
     
  6. JeepHammer

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    You enjoy the benefits, protection of the Constitution...
    Why shouldn't they?

    Take the 'Good' with the 'Bad' if that's the way you see it.

    Personally, I don't give two sh!ts if they build a clown museum or a mosque.
    If it weren't for religion the 9/11 incident wouldn't have happened at all.

    Extremest on both sides are to blame,
    Now that MODERATE Muslims are trying to build a Mosque, the RADICAL/REACTIONARY 'Christians' that preach 'Forgiveness' and 'Tolerance' are doing exactly the opposite...

    If the 'Muslims' that caused 9/11 would have read the Koran they would have known it preaches acceptance, tolerance and forgiveness.

    *IF* the 'Christians' that are calling for stopping the Mosque would have read the Bible they wouldn't have a problem with the Mosque.

    Personally, I think religion has been the biggest waste of time, resources and lives in history...
    But since the Contusion affords me the freedom of speech, I'm allowed to have and express that opinion.

    From an EDUCATED* outsiders view point I can't tell a difference between the two religions.
    They both preach forgiveness, understanding and tolerance,
    But both spread the religion or they kill anyone that doesn't accept the religion...

    *Educated, 6 years of Religion and Comparative Religion in Parochial Schools and Collage.
    16 years in the military taught me ANYONE that says "I'm A Believer" should be suspect and considered a target!

    The Three youngest religions are the most violent,
    Christianity, Islam, both about 1,600 years old,
    (That's right, not 2,000 years old like you are lead to believe)
    And Mormons... Which I lost ancestors to at Mountain Meadows Massacre.
    That would be the SECOND 9/11 (9/11/1857) for those with 'Search' Capabilities.
    You will find that was religion motivated...

    The first being 9/11/1812, and was a 'God & Country' war.

    Looks like 9/11 is a favorite date for you religion extremest!

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    Year ONE on the Hebrew Calender, the day 'Adam' set foot on earth, Sept. 11, 6,000 years ago.
    Birth Date of the first emperor of China, Sept. 11, 6,000 years ago.
    Coincidence, or did the Hebrews take the Sept. 11 date from the Chinese, the most advanced culture at the time?
    We have the first Emperor of a unified China (Qin Shi Huang) as being acknowledged on Sept. 11, 221BC. but most scholars think there is a discrepancy of 221 years in dating, so that would put him being born on Sept. 11, Year One of the Chinese calender, exactly the same day 'Adam' would have been created on earth in the Jewish calender.

    Celestial calculations show 'Jesus' was born on Sept, 11, Year 3 BC.
    Taken from PRECISE astronomical descriptions of the heavens at the time of 'Birth'.
    Greeks and Romans took VERY good astronomical readings that still exist today, and modern computer modeling confirms the star positions today...
    Coincidence?

    Since Sept. 11 was 'Sacred' day in most 'Pagan' calenders, I wonder of it wasn't co-opted from those earlier religions...
    Most everything else taken as 'Religious' holidays was co-opted from pagan ritual holidays, why not the 'Birth' of the Christan savior?

    We know from the bible that Mary & Joseph were going to take the Roman census, and since the Roman Census when 'Jesus' was supposedly born, and we know the Roman census was held in Sept.,
    So it would stand to reason the Roman/Greek/Modern interpretation is closer than the 'Religious' holiday celebrated on Dec 24.

    Sept. 11, 1609, Henry Hudson 'Discovered' Manhattan Island.
    Although there were already about 7,000 natives already living there, he 'Discovered' it.
    Since the locals wouldn't give the land freely, they were INTENTIONALLY infected with smallpox.
    Use of biological weapons was a favorite of 'Christians'...
    The common story is the island was 'Purchased' for $26 in beads and trade goods,
    But the fact is, a small colony space was 'Rented' for $26 in trade goods, when the 'Christians' wanted more land and the natives wouldn't yield, they were murdered and infected with disease intentionally.
    Convert or die...

    The war of 1812 officially kicked off with invasion of the 'Colonies' on Sept. 11.

    Mormons massacred a wagon train of people (Christians) heading to California on Sept. 11, 1857 stealing their stock, wagons, trade goods.

    Ground breaking of the 'Pentagon' started on Sept. 11,1941.
    Pentagon hit by Hijacked air liner on Sept. 11, 2001.

    Sept. 11, 1972 had the 'Black September' massacre of the Israeli Olympic team in Munich, Germany.

    You religion types REALLY LOVE SEPTEMBER 11.

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    Some information for you to consider...

    "Many biblical scholars, theologians, historians, and astronomers say that the Star of Bethlehem, signifying the birth of Jesus Christ, can be calculated to within a few hours of September 11, 3 B.C., based on celestial charts and alignments for that time.

    Historian Dr. Ernest L. Martin first article on the subject appeared in 1976, and in 1981 he published his research in "The Birth of Christ Recalculated".

    In 1991, the book was re-released as "The Star that Astonished the World." Dr. Martin revealed
    in his book, that the signs in the sky on the night of Jesus' birth occurred on only
    one day in 3 B.C., and they occurred exactly on September 11, 3 B.C. between
    6:15 pm and 7:49 pm EST."

    Since the first mention of 'Jesus' wasn't written down until about 300 years after the supposed death of 'Jesus',
    And the first draft of the 'Bible' wasn't completed until around 600 after the death of 'Jesus',
    It's entirely possible the exact date was lost in translation.

    Since the first drafts describing the 'Birth' of 'Jesus' were in Hebrew, Translated (Incorrectly) into Greek (Latin) around 300 AD,
    Where the manuscripts described 'Mary' as a 'Maiden', meaning UNMARRIED WOMAN,
    Were incorrectly translated into Greek as 'Virgin', this may all be a moot point anyway.

    Since the ENTIRE premise of 'Christianity' is the 'Virgin' or 'Miracle Birth',
    'Maiden' (unmarried woman) is a LONG WAY from VIRGIN!
    We have unmarried women dropping welfare kids all over the place,
    Wonder if we are supposed to consider all of them 'Crist' too! :)

    An entire, world wide religion based on a MISPRINT! That's just TOO FUNNY!

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    Almost as funny as these current, misguided extremest protesting a Mosque in Manhattan when it's protected under the same constitution that gives them the right to protest!

    In my view, NOT TAINTED BY RELIGION HATE MONGERING,
    I think PRESIDENT Obama is upholding the Constitution.

    You folks would throw such a sh!t fit like the media has never seen if they were trying to block a Christian Church on the site!
    (Which if you had any sense, you WOULD build instead of ranting and raving about a Mosque!)

    Just another wasted building space that could actually do some good instead of spreading superstition and lies in my opinion,
    But you 'Religious' folks can do anything you want in this country... Such a waste though...
     
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  7. OldCootHillbilly

    OldCootHillbilly Reverend Coot

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    First off I ain't a religous extremist. Don't beleive in modernized religon.

    Second, this ain't about religon, it's about location.

    Did you loose anybody in 9/11?
    I did, a very dear friend of mine. At the time he had made a quick call ta his family an then he was gone. Never found him. No body ta bury, no closeur to his passin.
    I would like you to call his girls, they was 5 & 7 at the time, an explain to them how you feel be right they build a mosque an support a religion that took there father. I'll bet ya can't do it.

    This ain't about religon it's about location. IF we built a Walmart on there holly ground how would that go over?

    I'm goin to quit now before I become a PO'd hillbilly an start insultin people. I simply think this is wrong.
     
  8. Bigdog57

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    Allowing THIS travesty would be exactly like allowing the Japanese to build a Shinto Shrine on the wreckage of the USS Arizona....... :mad:

    Once again, The Illegal Whitehouse Clown kicks all good Americans squarely in the danglies........ :gaah:
     
  9. JeepHammer

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    Right wing religious hate mongering.

    It's a shame the 'Right' has to get it's 'Opinion' from PAID PUNDTS.
    The more crap they stir up, the more they make!

    FREEDOM OF RELIGION, take it in whole, or pass on it entirely.
    You don't get the choice to pick and choose.

    If you decide to cut your nose off to spite your face and start a movement to BAN RELIGION ENTIRELY to stop that Mosque, I'll be right there with you!
    There has been enough money, time, resources and lives sacrificed to superstition, so I'll go along with that one...
    Just not for the same reasons as you!
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    Actually, there is a monument to the Japanese military on Hawaii.
    Would be a good thing if you did a little research, maybe actually visit the places you speak of before sounding off.

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    I lost people on OKC bombing, done by a right wing, hate mongering, race supremacist CHRISTAN ORGANIZATION.

    My 'People' are Native Americans, so if you want to compare atrocities,
    Think about the 52 MILLION natives that were murdered, starved to take this country by right wing Christan fundamentalists.

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    You want to hold a grudge even though your 'Religion' specifically forbids it.
    What kind of a 'Christian' are you...?

    You want to hold a grudge even though your CONSTITUTION forbids it.
    What kind of American does that make you...?

    Time for the pot to take a look at it's self...
     
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  10. Bigdog57

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    Your opinion and 55 cents gets you a cup of coffee - same as mine. I DO have the right to 'pick and choose'. You have the same. Nuff said. ;)
     
  11. horseman09

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    Jeep, ya just don't get it. Do the Muslims have a legal right to put a mosque there? Yup.

    But is it the right thing to do? Is it respectful to those who died on 911. NO.

    If a mosque was across the road from me and I wanted to raise a few pigs, out of respect for them, if possible, I'd put my pigs on a different part of my farm. It's called respect.

    I don't attend the church about 1/4 mile from my house, but out of respect, I don't use my chain saw or mow the grass or make other unnessecary noise when they are having services. It's called respect.

    The Muslim world requires that we respect their beliefs on pain of death, but they spit in our face at every opportunity. THAT tell us all something about Islam.
     
  12. JeepHammer

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    I just googled the potential Mosque site,
    Three blocks away and doesn't face the site of the world trade centers.

    So, Three New York blocks, that's roughly 3/10 of a mile away,
    And doesn't face the WTC site,

    Same as the Christians building a church next to a strip joint, which happened around here, then complaining about the strip joint.

    As far as respect goes, I think the Mosque is an attempt at that,
    Since it's US Muslims trying to build the mosque, and since it WAS NOT US MUSLIMS that committed the atrocities of 9/11, I'm wondering what all the hate and guttural reaction is coming from...?

    Just another way for right wing hate groups to stir up trouble I guess.

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    Just saw, and paid close attention to the comments from the President on the Mosque,
    He defended their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to build the Mosque, just like any defender of the Constitution would have.

    I also defend the Constitution, so I agree with the President.

    If you have the right, then you have the ABSOLUTE RIGHT.

    If you want to EARN RESPECT, then you GIVE RESPECT.
    Since there isn't any respect between religions and never has been,
    I don't expect any now,
    Didn't give it, don't expect it...

    You guys have been trying to convert or kill each other for the past 6,000 records we have records, and I'm sure superstitions/suspicions of each other go back much farther than that.

    I don't expect it to stop in my life time, and I suspect the murderous instincts of the human animal will not be overcome anytime soon.
    What you guys have done to each other in the name of 'Religion' scares the crap out of me!

    It's the 'True Believers' that don't care about their own lives that scare the crap out of me, since I KNOW they won't hesitate to take mine if they don't respect their own!
     
  13. mosquitomountainman

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    Well said horseman09

    Wow Jeep Hammer, lots of hostility there. Which religion did you blame regarding the deaths engineered by Stalin and Hitler and Idi Amin, (just to name a few)? Don't forget the Japanese aggression in WW2. I'm sure that in your mind that was also religiously motivated. Who did you blame for your problems in life before you chose religion to be the scapegoat? Talk about knee jerk reactions!

    Like horseman09 said, the moslems don't give a rats behind who they offend yet are super sensitive regarding their own religion. They want to build a mosque and use our Constitutiion against us citing freedom of religion. What about freedom of speech. Suppose one of our so-called "artist" were to put a picture of Mohammad in a jar of urine. How seriously would the moslems support freedom of speech? The moslems building this mosque would be recruiting people to put the artist out of their misery!

    You just don't get it. If a moslem tied you up and cut off your head with a dull knife and televised it throughout the world the large majority of muslims would replay it over and over with glee. And you'd have to search long and hard to find a word of protest from any of them.

    I'm tired of this president pandering to moslems, mexicans, illegal aliens, homosexuals, and any other group that would love to see the rest of us on our knees.
     
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  14. wolfwhisper

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    let's say this, the memories of 911 are very fresh in are minds, the pain still very rail for all.A mosque at ground zero is a slap in the face,and Obama standing behinds this is a shameful. the monument in hawaii like the one in normandy is a tribute to the fallen soliders. must supported there country but did not always believed in there countries views or opinions.
    it is time for us to stand up for what is right and get obama out before it is to late.:congrat:
    the muslims dont care for us or are government, myself have done no wrong to them. I try to respect all the best one cans, but there is a time to stand up for what is right.
     
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  15. gypsysue

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    Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's nice, or a a good idea, or right.
     
  16. fobhomestead

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    Reality check...

    :mad:
    I hate to be the one to point this out... Jeep, I appreciate your ability to honestly state your views on religion, but in my eyes what you are doing is not any different than the "hate groups that stir up trouble" (to quote you). You are so adament about the islam/christian debate (which, btw... BOTH are a form of christanity) that you are missing the point.

    The WHOLE COUNTRY is missing the POINT!!! Which is very likely what they were hoping would happen. Moderate Muslim :rolleyes: or not, a mosque is open to EVERY muslim- even the "really, really bad ones".

    SO... You guys keep fighting about religion, and I will be the one to :surrender: for you guys and ask a simple, stupid question:

    CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY A BUILDING WHERE TRADITIONAL MUSLIMS CAN STAY FOR HOURS BE REALLY CONVIENIENT TO HAVE NEXT TO THE NY ACADEMY OF SCIENCES???? Even if it means building a Mosque NEXT TO AN AMISH MARKET?????? :scratch

    Nevermind.. lets keep fighting amongst ourselves. Maybe we will have the whole religion thing settled before :shtf:
     
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  17. kyfarmer

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    Yes sir indeed enough is enough, it's time for real Americans to quit eating everyone's crap because of political correctness. Tired of this bull$***. We need to take our nation back from a small select group of socialist commies. Hopefully that will start in november. They may screw everything up they can now, sooner or later they will be tossed out on their azzez! The above quote is 100% spot on. :congrat:
     
  18. JeepHammer

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    Missing the point.

    Guys blaming President Obama for the Mosque.
    As he stated, the Muslims have the RIGHT to build a Mosque, He didn't endorse it, simply stated that under the Constitution they had the right to build on private property, within codes of the city/state.

    Man, I'd hate to be that contractor! you KNOW those inspectors are going to shut the site down or stall progress for EVERY PERCEIVED fault!
    There isn't any way you can make any money that way!

    It's the guys that act like President Obama woke up one morning and said,
    "Call The Muslims, I have a way to screw myself by endorsing a Mosque at the WTC site!"

    Besides, this is fabricated 'News' from the right wing types anyway.
    The timing is just like going after Shirley Sherrod with phony footage to obscure the first banking reform in 70 years.
    Since that is a WIN for the Democrats, and is going to cost big business/banking right wing Republicans BILLIONS, but keep those BILLIONS in your pockets...

    Personally, I will benefit from NOT taking 2 or 3 fees when I try to use my bank card out of town,
    I will benefit from NOT being charged stupid high rates on my credit when I forget to pay some dinky bill and it gets a month behind,
    And I'll most certainly benefit from getting a decent rate when I have to borrow money on 'Unconventional' building...
    Like when I build a 'Root Cellar'...

    It's just like when Right Wing Fabricated scandal when President Obama signed the executive order for people to conceal carry on Amtrack trains.
    It's just like when he signed off on concealed carry in National Parks.
    Two places you can now conceal carry without issues just GIVEN to us without any fight from the White House.

    Even the NRA had to grudgingly give a backhanded complement,
    And being a life long member of the NRA, I've NEVER seen them say anything good about a Democrat president in the last 40 years!
    (Even if it was backhanded and full of knuckles, they still acknowledged the effort put in to NOT challenging the rulings and recommending states do NOT take up the fight against, signing off on everything that comes across his desk...)

    All the hate rumors, $5 a bullet tax, 'Smart Gun' technology, ect. all has dropped into the meat grinder, NOT ONE NEW RESTRICTIVE FIREARMS LAW,
    And EASING OF CONCEALED CARRY LAWS, especially on government controlled land and buildings!

    Decisions from this White House Administration has supported the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS of Americans to OWN, CONCEAL CARRY & PROTECT THEMSELVES right down the line, but no one is giving this administration credit for that...

    I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT FELONS, MENTALLY DISTURBED PEOPLE SHOULD NOT OWN OR POSSESS FIREARMS.
    People that have histories of domestic or workplace violence should not have firearms.

    I ABSOLUTELY AGREE that if you have 50 or 100 (or whatever) firearms at a commercial 'Gun Show' you ARE NOT a 'Private Seller'. (the 'Gun Show Loop Hole)
    I sell firearms at commercial shows THROUGH A DEALER, and I ALWAYS go through a dealer for the 'yellow Sheet' and instant background check.
    It's worth the $10 or $15 for my name NOT to be on that serial number and to insure I'm not selling to some 'Meth Head' or felon!
    I don't need that kind of trouble!

    I agree that it's CONSTITUTIONALLY LEGAL for the Muslims to put a Mosque 3 blocks from the 9/11 site.

    I'm not commenting on it being 'Appropriate' or not.
    Religious types do things that I don't find 'Appropriate' all the time.

    'Appropriate' or not, I'm not in any position to comment,
    I don't throw stones about what people do that is 'Legal' since I do things my neighbors might think is 'Inappropriate'...

    I live in a RED NECK part of the country, so the idea of Solar Power & Sustainable Living makes me a 'Hippie' in their eyes...
    They tolerate me, and I respect them for that, especially when they ask questions about this or that, allowing them to overcome preconceived notions about things and expand their horizons...

    To kick the President for upholding the CONSTITUTION is pretty low in my opinion, and you should think long and hard about anyone that pumps this crap!

    This isn't the GWB administration,
    This administration is working VERY HARD to reinstate the civil liberties and rights you SHOULD have had and the big companies took away through bought and paid for congress and senators,
    And the 'Patriot Act' where you lost virtually all rights of privacy and protections against search & seizure, the right to an attorney, not to be whisked away in the middle of the night to some off shore prison camp, ect.

    I also wish people would look up the difference between 'Socialist' and 'Communist' before they post!
    They are NOT one and the same.

    Since we are the ONLY INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY that doesn't have universal health care for ALL CITIZENS (that's CITIZENS, not Illegals),
    I don't see where getting basic health care directly from tax dollars is a bad thing.
    Sure beats the TRILLIONS given in subsidies to the big energy and banking conglomerates, the most profitable businesses EVER in the history of the planet!
    If they are the most profitable, WHY DO THEY NEED SUBSIDIES?

    They are raping us at every turn, why do they need tax dollars?

    I started out life as a 'Young Republican', I believed every word that came out of Ronald Regan's mouth...
    Young and dumb! REALLY STUPID!
    Joined the military at 17 and one day old to go off and fight the 'Commies', to bring the 'Evil Empire' to it's knees!

    Now that I'm older, and I've SEEN 40 years of greed, paid for politicians, and the dirty dealing, back stabbing way we treat other countries first hand,
    I've decided that maybe I joined the wrong side...

    The beauty of the Constitution is,
    It can be CHANGED as circumstances change.
    Maybe since our forefathers were smarter than me,
    I can take a page from their book and change myself.

    You might also consider this,
    We NEED some good will, some good press right now in the Islamic Communities around the world.
    Allowing that Mosque might just be bankable in the near term and in the long term in those places...

    If you were to have a look at the Moderate Islamic web sites,
    The killing of doctors in Afghanistan has REALLY stirred up some resentment among the Moderates in regards to the Taliban and extremest.
    Allowing a Mosque would be a GREAT propaganda tool, and it's being watched VERY CLOSELY on those same Islamic web sites...

    The US pumping in aid to the Pakistan flood victims is being seen as 'Islamic Friendly' and helping our cause with undecided Islamic followers, and getting 'Good Press' in the moderate Islamic world.
    Those are Muslims we WILL NOT have to fight later on!
    When they eat 'US' marked food, and wrap up in 'US' marked blankets, shelter under 'US' marked tarps or tents when they have NOTHING LEFT....
    That's going to make a difference later on!

    Throw a fit if you want to about 'Respect' or 'Hurt Feelings' or whatever,
    But the fact of the matter is, WE LIVE IN A GLOBAL WORLD,
    And unless you want more people flying more planes into buildings,
    Or what ever they come up with next,
    Then keep right on thinking LOCALLY and let the chips fall where they may...

    If you THINK GLOBALLY, ACT LOCALLY, like reducing our dependence on oil from the region, and pumping in the AID we promised back when they run the Russians out and then dropped them like a hot rock, didn't fulfill any of the promises we made...

    I've always said I'd rather we drill some wells, build some hospitals & schools, Feed them on the short term, and have them 'Friendly' than having another 'Taliban' situation!

    The choice is yours, let the right wing PAID PUNDITS do your thinking for you,
    Or do your own thinking!
     
  19. wolfwhisper

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    I am in no way able to put thought down with such educated wording, but I thought this was a site for food prepping and being prepared for natural disasters or economic down fall, or collasp of goverment.
    Jeep hammer such hostility here, to think you group all persons with religous beliefs as right wing extremist is wrong wrong, did i say wrong. and where do you get your dates as to when adam was born never is it stated anywhere in the bible did it state a date to when he was created. one is not to add to or take away from the bible. I love my lord god with my whole heart and it saddens me to hear this talk of hate and disrespect. Key word is respect.
    Now with that said let's stop these post and get back to homesteading issues. :confused:
     
  20. gypsysue

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    Gee, JeepHammer, I haven't seen anyone blaming the president FOR the mosque! People are upset about his public SUPPORT of the mosque being built there.
    I'm surprised you misinterpreted that, being so savvy and knowledgeable and all.

    And you do have a lot of knowledge, too bad you can't find a nicer, more helpful way to share it with us. We all get cynical and burned out by the idiots, but we're here on the board trying to learn, not to be looked-down upon and berated.

    I'd rather die happy with the sheeple than to live in the PAW (Post Apocalptic World) with someone who treated me like I was stupid.
     
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