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Discussion in 'General Preparedness Discussion' started by jebrown, Feb 25, 2009.

  1. jebrown

    jebrown jebrown

    The activity here on this board has dwindled down to next to nothing.
    Are your fingers to frozen from the winter to type or what.
    There ar a lot of knowledgble people here with good information to share.
    If we don't post then how are we going to impress the newbies about what we know?
  2. Herbalpagan

    Herbalpagan Well-Known Member

    lol...sorry! I'll try to post more.:D

  3. JW Parker

    JW Parker Keep Your SP101 Handy!

    I get to thinking, would they really be intrested in my thoughts and then I just don't post what I was thanking.
  4. jebrown

    jebrown jebrown

    Post yout thoughts.
    I provide disater preparedness seminars. I have been doing this for a very long time. I can not tell how many people I have meet over the years with needed information who also thought no one realy wants to know what I think.
  5. The_Blob

    The_Blob performing monkey

    I really miss JeepHammer's input, seems to me that when he stopped posting a lot of other knowledgeable people did as well.
  6. Canadian

    Canadian Well-Known Member

    A lot of the posts that used to take place on the forum were "flame" related. At one point Jeephammer actually got banned for being involved in a lot of hostile posting.

    The forum used to be a much more combative and unfriendly place. I like the way it is now. It is much more peaceful and thoughtful. A lot of the old activity was just people posting insults at each other. There's a lot more information now and a lot less attitude.
  7. Farnorthdan

    Farnorthdan Frigid One

    It really has died down here, been spending most of my time on other forums with more action.....I guess I'm already on too many, but I still try to pop in here occasionally..

  8. endurance

    endurance Well-Known Member

    I do think there's a challenge when you eliminate discussions about guns. While I like the fact that this forum isn't dominated by them, many forums function fine without a total ban. It seems to be a silly rule when some members can start a thread on the assault weapons ban and that's ok, but we can't talk about the guns that are actually banned. Seems to be some hypocracy there... but it's not my forum...
  9. vikx

    vikx Active Member

    I don't know what Jeep may have said or not; only the posts I read. I found them interesting and apt to be replied to. Sometimes a little controversy is necessary in order to get folks to respond...

    I wish this forum was more active right now but Spring is coming and perhaps an improvement in the economy-maybe it's hard for some of us to to keep on paying for internet when the job is gone.

    I'm hangin' in there and look forward to everyone's input! VK
  10. Evanesence

    Evanesence Guest

    Well, I have been reading around here for a while but today I made my first post. I should start posting more I suppose....
    I like the peacefulness of this forum. Most of these forums are dominated by firearm talk, religion, and politics and that just gets all too messy to keep up with! I know that there would be much more activity if political talk was allowed, given the current situation but power to the peaceful, afterall!

    Just wanted to share my thoughts on the place.
  11. Evanesence

    Evanesence Guest

    Forgot to mention...

    I also think a good amount of people in the far south are getting ready for their spring gardening or at least just enjoying time outdoors this week, the weather is beautiful here in Texas. In the mid 80's! It's nice, but all good things must come to an end.
  12. NaeKid

    NaeKid YourAdministrator, eh?

    I am entering another deep-freeze here in Calgary, working one full-time job and one part-time job and one "any-time"-job just to try to make ends meet with this recession going on. My full-time job is going to be moving to more of a "part-time" status with forced un-paid "vacations" from time to time during the months.

    Right now - running from job-to-job I don't have much time to post - just check-in to make sure that things are still moving smoothly and get rid of whatever spam shows up ..

    I'll probably have new information to share towards the middle / end of summer as I am hoping to be able to get onto an acreage and start building up my dream-home - 100% off-grid. :cool:
  13. TimB

    TimB Member

    I don't post a lot but do pop in every couple of days to keep up on whats going on. Lots of knowledgable folks here and I can usually find an answer to a question I have without asking. :D

  14. Canadian

    Canadian Well-Known Member

    I've been working a lot - about seven days a week - plus road trips. I like to comment but I usually don't post long articles anyway.
  15. slappysquirrel

    slappysquirrel Guest

    Hello from New Mexico

    I'm a newbie, and will be popping in. I host another forum called the Victory Diner and visit several others of friends I've been with for several years. I'm been involved in working disasters including Columbia Shuttle, Katrina, and Rita in emergency communications.

    I've been concerned about preparing for the hard times ahead and this forum appears to have much useful information.

  16. Magus

    Magus Scavenger deluxe

    I've got three forums,only one "survival"related.All dead as a door nail exept for the occasional troll.other forums too,must be hunting season or everyone trying to conserve thier internet or something.
  17. Big Georgia Red

    Big Georgia Red Guest

    Hello folk
    I've been reading the forum for a little while and registered the other day. I have been trying to find an online place to visit and discuss the subjects related with this site. But without the hostilities, (and moderators that always seem to drag a thread way off topic if they don't like the subject) that one finds on some of the other survival related sites.

    I would like to see this forum liven up a little (as in more posting of info for discussion). I don't know how it used to be as someone mentioned above, but it seems to be a rite civil place now. I know I have liked what I've seen so far and hope to be around for a while.

    I know a little about a lot of things, but don't know a lot about everything. If I see something I think I can contribute I'll speak up.

  18. The_Blob

    The_Blob performing monkey


    thanx, Red :) :) :) :)
  19. ke4sky

    ke4sky ke4sky

    Seminar info

    I would like to see an outline of subject matter you cover in your seminars. Here is what we covered in ours: our ppt. resentation may be downloaded at


    Why teach “survival” in the city?
    Catastrophes vs. disasters
    This is about your SURVIVAL, not volunteering
    Priorities for human survival
    Break-out sessions:
    Shelter construction
    Fire making
    Equipment and supplies
    Social implications of disasters
    Personal security concerns

    Disaster V. Catastrophe
    Disasters are short term
    “Make do for 3-4 days until help arrives…”
    Catastrophic events are long term
    Katrina-scale hurricane, tsunami, earthquake
    Major terror attack, nuclear detonation, dirty bomb
    No help is coming soon, “you are on your own”

    Complete loss of civil infrastructure
    Minimal or no police, fire or EMS response
    No electricity, municipal water, communications
    Transport of fuel / food is severely impaired
    Public safety agencies will be overwhelmed
    Recovery is long term (over 30 days)

    Situational awareness, basic knowledge and
    a “survivor’s mindset” enable you to cope effectively

    STOP Calm down, and size up your situation…
    THINK Anticipate which hazards are most likely
    Take stock of materials and resources around you
    OBSERVE Orient yourself to your surroundings
    PLAN Select equipment and supplies appropriately
    ACT! Execute your plan, evaluate progress, adjust, "party on."

    Have an evacuation kit ready at all times
    Don't presume that a disaster will be short-term
    Pack essentials first, then consider comfort items
    In real emergences, forget last-minute purchases
    Plan for more supplies than you “think” you may need
    Inspect / renew your supplies each spring and fall
    Provide entertainment for young children.

    Maintain personal and family health
    Prompt treatment reduces infection risk
    Sanitation reduces risk of disease vectors
    Water borne illnesses, diarrhea
    Major cause of dehydration
    Increases your survivability!

    The “Stay or Evacuate” Decision
    If evacuation is not mandatory, the same safety rules
    for entering a structure apply to using your home as shelter

    There is structural damage
    (6 sides of the “box” are not plumb)
    Utilities cannot be controlled
    Structure was damaged in a fire
    DO NOT occupy a floor that has been flooded,
    micotoxins from molds are respiratory hazard!

    Sheltering at Home During an Emergency
    For using a building without working utilities as shelter

    Exhaust – candles, camp stoves, lanterns, generators,
    heaters, charcoal grills, all generate carbon monoxide
    and must not be used indoors!
    Open flame – above ignition sources
    must never be left unattended!
    Fuel – most of the above require flammable fuels
    to operate, which must be stored outdoors.
    Use Fire Marshal approved fuel containers

    Improvised Emergency Shelters
    As in all real estate, most important is location:
    Avoid low spots with poor drainage
    Seek a gently sloped area so that surface water drains away
    Sheltered from prevailing winds
    Away from bodies of water (attracts insects and animals)
    Insulated from direct contact with ground, rock,
    or concrete, which conducts away body heat.

    Avoid as shelter:
    Areas around downed utility lines
    In or near culverts
    Within the “collapse zone” of a damaged building
    (maintain 2:1 ratio of distance away to building height)

    Improvised Shelters:

    Emergency Shelter Materials:

    Salvage building materials from debris or
    from damaged structures only when it can be done safely
    TYVEK building wrap
    Plastic sheeting
    Roofing paper and shingles
    Siding, plywood
    Chain link fence
    Wire, rope, and fasteners

    Build Your Shelter In Layers

    Structural framing: lumber, plywood, fencing, metal
    Fasteners: reinforce structural connections with nails, wire or rope ties, wooden spikes
    Water and wind proofing: TYVEK, plastic sheeting, tarp, shingles, roofing paper
    Insulation: drywall, leaves, tree branches, carpeting, (may also be used as ballast to hold water/wind proofing layer in place)

    Maintains body temperature
    Great morale booster
    Deters wild animals and insects
    Boils water
    Cooks food
    Used as day (smoke)
    or night (light) signal

    Matches or lighter
    Flint and steel (Doan Machinery Corp. Fire Starter)
    Use cotton ball and petroleum jelly as tinder
    Battery and steel wool
    Fresnel lens

    Minimum for drinking
    1 gallon per person, per day
    More water is needed for
    Cooking and food preparation
    Personal hygiene, sanitation and decontamination
    Store a two week supply as minimum
    Food grade containers with screw caps
    Away from direct sunlight

    Captive water in household hot water tank and interior plumbing is OK
    Filter cloudy water to remove particulates, using an EPA-rated filter
    with a pore size ≤ 1 micron, then:
    Disinfect with Clorox (6% sodium hypochlorite) add 8 drops of Chlorox
    bleach per gallon if clear, 16 drops if cloudy, let water stand 15 minutes before use
    Or boil vigorously for 15 minutes
    Store potable water in clean containers.

    All natural sources (from springs, ponds, rivers or streams)
    must be boiled or chemically disinfected.
    Chemical disinfection or boiling - Kills bacteria and viruses
    Doesn’t remove particulates or chemical pollutants
    Filtration - Coffee filters, etc. remove gross particulates only
    EPA-rated filters (pore size smaller than 1 micron) are needed
    to remove bacteria, viruses and Giardia cysts, but don’t remove chemical pollutants.
    Distillation is the most effective method.

    Lowest of the seven survival priorities
    Need is mostly mental, because we are used to eating regularly
    Healthy people will do OK without food for a week or more, if they are well hydrated
    Balanced nutrition is a important health factor for elderly and infants.

    Food in a refrigerator is safe for a day after the power goes off,
    either use it in 24 hours or throw it away
    Frozen food is safe if there are still ice crystals,
    once thawed, cook and consume it within 24 hours
    Next use non-perishables and dry staples
    Canned foods are best for long term storage
    (up to 4 years) but are heavy to transport and bulky to store
    Dry packaged foods are easiest to transport
    Choose foods requiring minimal preparation
    Eat at least one balanced meal daily
    Include nutritional supplements in supplies
    Drink enough water.

    Folding utility knife or multi-tool
    Scout type, Leatherman®, Swiss Army or Mil-K-818
    Manual can opener, if not on utility knife
    Sturdy fixed blade, such as 5" Mil. Aircrew Survival Knife
    For chopping, digging, or as pry bar
    Shovel, Gerber field spade or similar
    Hand saw, #7947 Fiskars Woodzig Pruning Saw, folding 10"

    Each person should have their own backpack of personal essentials
    Portable radio
    Extra batteries
    First Aid Kit, (containing a first aid manual)
    Personal medications and sanitation supplies
    Cooking and eating utensils
    Wool blanket or sleeping bag for each person
    Sturdy shoes and extra socks
    Rain gear
    Change of warm clothing and underwear
    Items for special needs, care of infants

    Evacuate or Stay? – Do you have a plan?

    Where will you go? Is it safe to travel?

    Can you REALLY get there?

    Do you have enough resources to make it work?

    Warn friends not to invite others to come and evacuate with them
    They’ll overwhelm your limited resources!

    Never allow family members to be separated
    Even if it means waiting for later rescue and/or evacuation

    Lessons from Hurricane Katrina - When help arrives, you may get it
    “…….whether you want it or not.”

    Don't believe that all rescuers will respect your property
    Relief workers from other States often don't know local laws
    Relief organizations have their own bureaucratic requirements that may conflict with your needs
    Expect frustration over lack of communication and empathy by rescuers and local/State government.


    Positive attitude – Stop Think Observe Plan

    First Aid / Sanitation – Maintain proper hygiene, preserve family health, prevent illness or injury

    Shelter – Protection from environmental hazards - use Time, Distance, Shielding

    Signaling / Communication- be heard / seen

    Fire – Warmth, light, food prep, water sterilization

    Water – Prevent water-borne illnesses through filtration, chemical sterilization, boiling or distillation

    Food – Eat at least one balanced meal daily, drink enough water, include nutritional supplements

    Equipment- Flashlight, knife, saw, axe, shovel

    Planning – Prepare a Kit, Make A Plan! - Prepare. Plan. Stay Informed.
  20. TechAdmin

    TechAdmin Administrator Staff Member

    For my personally it's starting to be Spring weather so I've been swamped doing outdoor work. Starting the garden and building around the house. Getting my rain water collection system fully in tact before what little spring rain we hope to get. We are in the worst drought in 100 years right now.