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· jebrown
154 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
The activity here on this board has dwindled down to next to nothing.
Are your fingers to frozen from the winter to type or what.
There ar a lot of knowledgble people here with good information to share.
If we don't post then how are we going to impress the newbies about what we know?

· jebrown
154 Posts
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Post yout thoughts.
I provide disater preparedness seminars. I have been doing this for a very long time. I can not tell how many people I have meet over the years with needed information who also thought no one realy wants to know what I think.

· Registered
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A lot of the posts that used to take place on the forum were "flame" related. At one point Jeephammer actually got banned for being involved in a lot of hostile posting.

The forum used to be a much more combative and unfriendly place. I like the way it is now. It is much more peaceful and thoughtful. A lot of the old activity was just people posting insults at each other. There's a lot more information now and a lot less attitude.

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I do think there's a challenge when you eliminate discussions about guns. While I like the fact that this forum isn't dominated by them, many forums function fine without a total ban. It seems to be a silly rule when some members can start a thread on the assault weapons ban and that's ok, but we can't talk about the guns that are actually banned. Seems to be some hypocracy there... but it's not my forum...

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I don't know what Jeep may have said or not; only the posts I read. I found them interesting and apt to be replied to. Sometimes a little controversy is necessary in order to get folks to respond...

I wish this forum was more active right now but Spring is coming and perhaps an improvement in the economy-maybe it's hard for some of us to to keep on paying for internet when the job is gone.

I'm hangin' in there and look forward to everyone's input! VK

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Well, I have been reading around here for a while but today I made my first post. I should start posting more I suppose....
I like the peacefulness of this forum. Most of these forums are dominated by firearm talk, religion, and politics and that just gets all too messy to keep up with! I know that there would be much more activity if political talk was allowed, given the current situation but power to the peaceful, afterall!

Just wanted to share my thoughts on the place.

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Forgot to mention...

I also think a good amount of people in the far south are getting ready for their spring gardening or at least just enjoying time outdoors this week, the weather is beautiful here in Texas. In the mid 80's! It's nice, but all good things must come to an end.

· YourAdministrator, eh?
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I am entering another deep-freeze here in Calgary, working one full-time job and one part-time job and one "any-time"-job just to try to make ends meet with this recession going on. My full-time job is going to be moving to more of a "part-time" status with forced un-paid "vacations" from time to time during the months.

Right now - running from job-to-job I don't have much time to post - just check-in to make sure that things are still moving smoothly and get rid of whatever spam shows up ..

I'll probably have new information to share towards the middle / end of summer as I am hoping to be able to get onto an acreage and start building up my dream-home - 100% off-grid. :cool:

· Member
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I don't post a lot but do pop in every couple of days to keep up on whats going on. Lots of knowledgable folks here and I can usually find an answer to a question I have without asking. :D


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Hello from New Mexico

I'm a newbie, and will be popping in. I host another forum called the Victory Diner and visit several others of friends I've been with for several years. I'm been involved in working disasters including Columbia Shuttle, Katrina, and Rita in emergency communications.

I've been concerned about preparing for the hard times ahead and this forum appears to have much useful information.


· Scavenger deluxe
7,453 Posts
The activity here on this board has dwindled down to next to nothing.
Are your fingers to frozen from the winter to type or what.
There ar a lot of knowledgble people here with good information to share.
If we don't post then how are we going to impress the newbies about what we know?
I've got three forums,only one "survival"related.All dead as a door nail exept for the occasional troll.other forums too,must be hunting season or everyone trying to conserve thier internet or something.

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Hello folk
I've been reading the forum for a little while and registered the other day. I have been trying to find an online place to visit and discuss the subjects related with this site. But without the hostilities, (and moderators that always seem to drag a thread way off topic if they don't like the subject) that one finds on some of the other survival related sites.

I would like to see this forum liven up a little (as in more posting of info for discussion). I don't know how it used to be as someone mentioned above, but it seems to be a rite civil place now. I know I have liked what I've seen so far and hope to be around for a while.

I know a little about a lot of things, but don't know a lot about everything. If I see something I think I can contribute I'll speak up.


· ke4sky
190 Posts
Seminar info

Jw ... I provide disaster preparedness seminars... can not tell how many people I have meet over the years with needed information who also thought no one really wants to know what I think.
I would like to see an outline of subject matter you cover in your seminars. Here is what we covered in ours: our ppt. resentation may be downloaded at


Why teach "survival" in the city?
Catastrophes vs. disasters
This is about your SURVIVAL, not volunteering
Priorities for human survival
Break-out sessions:
Shelter construction
Fire making
Equipment and supplies
Social implications of disasters
Personal security concerns

Disaster V. Catastrophe
Disasters are short term
"Make do for 3-4 days until help arrives…"
Catastrophic events are long term
Katrina-scale hurricane, tsunami, earthquake
Major terror attack, nuclear detonation, dirty bomb
No help is coming soon, "you are on your own"

Complete loss of civil infrastructure
Minimal or no police, fire or EMS response
No electricity, municipal water, communications
Transport of fuel / food is severely impaired
Public safety agencies will be overwhelmed
Recovery is long term (over 30 days)

Situational awareness, basic knowledge and
a "survivor's mindset" enable you to cope effectively

STOP Calm down, and size up your situation…
THINK Anticipate which hazards are most likely
Take stock of materials and resources around you
OBSERVE Orient yourself to your surroundings
PLAN Select equipment and supplies appropriately
ACT! Execute your plan, evaluate progress, adjust, "party on."

Have an evacuation kit ready at all times
Don't presume that a disaster will be short-term
Pack essentials first, then consider comfort items
In real emergences, forget last-minute purchases
Plan for more supplies than you "think" you may need
Inspect / renew your supplies each spring and fall
Provide entertainment for young children.

Maintain personal and family health
Prompt treatment reduces infection risk
Sanitation reduces risk of disease vectors
Water borne illnesses, diarrhea
Major cause of dehydration
Increases your survivability!

The "Stay or Evacuate" Decision
If evacuation is not mandatory, the same safety rules
for entering a structure apply to using your home as shelter

There is structural damage
(6 sides of the "box" are not plumb)
Utilities cannot be controlled
Structure was damaged in a fire
DO NOT occupy a floor that has been flooded,
micotoxins from molds are respiratory hazard!

Sheltering at Home During an Emergency
For using a building without working utilities as shelter

Exhaust - candles, camp stoves, lanterns, generators,
heaters, charcoal grills, all generate carbon monoxide
and must not be used indoors!
Open flame - above ignition sources
must never be left unattended!
Fuel - most of the above require flammable fuels
to operate, which must be stored outdoors.
Use Fire Marshal approved fuel containers

Improvised Emergency Shelters
As in all real estate, most important is location:
Avoid low spots with poor drainage
Seek a gently sloped area so that surface water drains away
Sheltered from prevailing winds
Away from bodies of water (attracts insects and animals)
Insulated from direct contact with ground, rock,
or concrete, which conducts away body heat.

Avoid as shelter:
Areas around downed utility lines
In or near culverts
Within the "collapse zone" of a damaged building
(maintain 2:1 ratio of distance away to building height)

Improvised Shelters:

Emergency Shelter Materials:

Salvage building materials from debris or
from damaged structures only when it can be done safely
TYVEK building wrap
Plastic sheeting
Roofing paper and shingles
Siding, plywood
Chain link fence
Wire, rope, and fasteners

Build Your Shelter In Layers

Structural framing: lumber, plywood, fencing, metal
Fasteners: reinforce structural connections with nails, wire or rope ties, wooden spikes
Water and wind proofing: TYVEK, plastic sheeting, tarp, shingles, roofing paper
Insulation: drywall, leaves, tree branches, carpeting, (may also be used as ballast to hold water/wind proofing layer in place)

Maintains body temperature
Great morale booster
Deters wild animals and insects
Boils water
Cooks food
Used as day (smoke)
or night (light) signal

Matches or lighter
Flint and steel (Doan Machinery Corp. Fire Starter)
Use cotton ball and petroleum jelly as tinder
Battery and steel wool
Fresnel lens

Minimum for drinking
1 gallon per person, per day
More water is needed for
Cooking and food preparation
Personal hygiene, sanitation and decontamination
Store a two week supply as minimum
Food grade containers with screw caps
Away from direct sunlight

Captive water in household hot water tank and interior plumbing is OK
Filter cloudy water to remove particulates, using an EPA-rated filter
with a pore size ≤ 1 micron, then:
Disinfect with Clorox (6% sodium hypochlorite) add 8 drops of Chlorox
bleach per gallon if clear, 16 drops if cloudy, let water stand 15 minutes before use
Or boil vigorously for 15 minutes
Store potable water in clean containers.

All natural sources (from springs, ponds, rivers or streams)
must be boiled or chemically disinfected.
Chemical disinfection or boiling - Kills bacteria and viruses
Doesn't remove particulates or chemical pollutants
Filtration - Coffee filters, etc. remove gross particulates only
EPA-rated filters (pore size smaller than 1 micron) are needed
to remove bacteria, viruses and Giardia cysts, but don't remove chemical pollutants.
Distillation is the most effective method.

Lowest of the seven survival priorities
Need is mostly mental, because we are used to eating regularly
Healthy people will do OK without food for a week or more, if they are well hydrated
Balanced nutrition is a important health factor for elderly and infants.

Food in a refrigerator is safe for a day after the power goes off,
either use it in 24 hours or throw it away
Frozen food is safe if there are still ice crystals,
once thawed, cook and consume it within 24 hours
Next use non-perishables and dry staples
Canned foods are best for long term storage
(up to 4 years) but are heavy to transport and bulky to store
Dry packaged foods are easiest to transport
Choose foods requiring minimal preparation
Eat at least one balanced meal daily
Include nutritional supplements in supplies
Drink enough water.

Folding utility knife or multi-tool
Scout type, Leatherman®, Swiss Army or Mil-K-818
Manual can opener, if not on utility knife
Sturdy fixed blade, such as 5" Mil. Aircrew Survival Knife
For chopping, digging, or as pry bar
Shovel, Gerber field spade or similar
Hand saw, #7947 Fiskars Woodzig Pruning Saw, folding 10"

Each person should have their own backpack of personal essentials
Portable radio
Extra batteries
First Aid Kit, (containing a first aid manual)
Personal medications and sanitation supplies
Cooking and eating utensils
Wool blanket or sleeping bag for each person
Sturdy shoes and extra socks
Rain gear
Change of warm clothing and underwear
Items for special needs, care of infants

Evacuate or Stay? - Do you have a plan?

Where will you go? Is it safe to travel?

Can you REALLY get there?

Do you have enough resources to make it work?

Warn friends not to invite others to come and evacuate with them
They'll overwhelm your limited resources!

Never allow family members to be separated
Even if it means waiting for later rescue and/or evacuation

Lessons from Hurricane Katrina - When help arrives, you may get it
"…….whether you want it or not."

Don't believe that all rescuers will respect your property
Relief workers from other States often don't know local laws
Relief organizations have their own bureaucratic requirements that may conflict with your needs
Expect frustration over lack of communication and empathy by rescuers and local/State government.


Positive attitude - Stop Think Observe Plan

First Aid / Sanitation - Maintain proper hygiene, preserve family health, prevent illness or injury

Shelter - Protection from environmental hazards - use Time, Distance, Shielding

Signaling / Communication- be heard / seen

Fire - Warmth, light, food prep, water sterilization

Water - Prevent water-borne illnesses through filtration, chemical sterilization, boiling or distillation

Food - Eat at least one balanced meal daily, drink enough water, include nutritional supplements

Equipment- Flashlight, knife, saw, axe, shovel

Planning - Prepare a Kit, Make A Plan! - Prepare. Plan. Stay Informed.

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For my personally it's starting to be Spring weather so I've been swamped doing outdoor work. Starting the garden and building around the house. Getting my rain water collection system fully in tact before what little spring rain we hope to get. We are in the worst drought in 100 years right now.
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