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The wanderer
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I got this email "forward" today. Does anyone know if it's true? I'm speechless with shock, if it is:

ForwardedEmail said:
"Subject: Word of the Day: Dhimmitude

Need something to get your blood boiling????
Has anyone heard of this new word? I did hear that Muslims and Christian Scientists were exempt from having to have government healthcare.
Unbelievable
I had my doubts so I checked with Snopes. There is an exemption for the Muslims in the Health Care Bill. Obama supporters check it out yourself.
Had never heard the word until now---Type it into Google and start reading Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The prez is leading us right down the path to total Muslim control and you don't care! Maybe you voted for him but now the truth comes out. Maybe you should rethink what you have done.
Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.
The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I John Smith, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, cars and etc. and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance at our expence. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.
Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor or belief in God! If you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. "Sure, I'll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, brother?" Now all you Obama voters get in line for your free stuff!...However, I suggest you don't hold your breath!...

PS Have you heard about the summit Obama is holding this month in DC for the future Muslim business leaders in the US ? He wants to increase their ability to begin business opportunities in the US for the Muslim community! Better start looking for a country that doesn't cater to the Muslims ~ Austrailia doesn't because this country will be overrun by Muslims like Europe is currently experiencing. Any you thought our problem was the Mexicans!......"
It didn't give a source, so I assume it's something someone wrote up specifically as a "forward", but hopefully they did their research.
 

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... Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. ...
If this is true, I wonder if they're exempt from purchasing auto liablility insurance?
 

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While I am not happy about this, I have to ask if in addition to Muslim/Islam there are other religions that are exempted how is the second statement below accurate? I do happen to care and am fighting the massive gubernmint takeover currently occurring, but statements like this only breed hatred and creates false fissures between folks when we need to be trying to bridge gaps and build community.

I did hear that Muslims and Christian Scientists were exempt from having to have government healthcare.
Unbelievable

The prez is leading us right down the path to total Muslim control and you don't care!
 

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mn_homesteader: that was posted by me but not written by me. I think whoever wrote the "forward" I got might be kind of a "muslim-phobe". The facts might have been exagerated in the sense that the Health Care Bill might have a provision where people are exempted for "religious reasons", and like you hear on some Extreme Far Right or Far Left Talk Radio programs, someone ran with that and started screaming about the Muslim thing, either knowing or assuming something about their religion and how it pertains to the Health Care Bill.

That's just a guess. Why I posted the thing is because I hoped someone out there had more information on the subject. Is there anything that specifically exempts MUSLIMS, or is this a general thing which possibly excludes Muslims from the requirement?

I don't know how many Christian Scientists there are in the U.S., but I know they're a lot more quieter and non-violent than the Muslims. Not that it has anything to do with them or any groups having rights over other groups.

What I do know (or think I do!:)) is that if someone doesn't put a stop to some of these things, the future will be unpleasant (to put it mildly).
 

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This is the response from truthorfiction.com

Health Care bill Exempts Moslems and Establishes Moslem Jurisdiction in the U.S.-Fiction!


Summary of the eRumor:
This is a forwarded warning that HR-3590 or "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act’’ establishes Dhimmitude or a status of Non-Muslim Minorities Under Islamic Rule and Shri'ah in the United States. The eRumor says this is because Islam forbids followers from purchasing insurance.


The Truth:
There is a provision for Religious Conscience Exemption in the HR-3590 health care bill that was signed into law by President Obama but there is no Muslim restriction against the purchase of health insurance. Members of some religious organizations may claim a Religious Conscience Exemption if their sects meet the conditions by having a health care sharing ministry that is exempt from taxation under section 501(a). For more please click here for finding on the HR-3590.

Health insurance and life Insurance are two different products. According to the Islam online web site, there are a variety of views toward religious restrictions toward life insurance and investing because it is looked upon as gambling but no evidence was found of any restrictions toward Muslims purchasing medical, home owners and automobile policies.

Dhimmitude is a term defined as "the Islamic system of governing populations conquered by jihad wars, encompassing all of the demographic, ethnic, and religious aspects of the political system," according to the Dhimmitude.org web site.

updated 04/20/10
 

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good research idragrace

also, hopefully is to be full of hope, not to hope
 

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Thanks, idragrace, for researching this.

Regarding the Amish...are you sure they're exempt? They're exempt from paying in to Social Security since they "take care of their own". They do go to regular doctors and hospitals, so do they pay "cash as they go", and as a group therefore don't have to have insurance? Obviously car insurance isn't an issue for them! As a community they probably all pitch in money to pay the medical bills if someone gets something big like cancer?

I suspected the Bill didn't specifically mention Muslims as being exempt. The radical fringes have a tendency to take possibilities or suspicions and run with it, not to start a stream of posts from people who take offense to my comment...
 
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