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McCain says American leadership was better under Obama: report
By Olivia Beavers - 06/11/17 04:02 PM EDT

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said American leadership was stronger under President Trump's predecessor, President Barack Obama, according to a Guardian report published Sunday.

Asked if the country stood on sturdier ground under Obama's leadership, McCain said "yes," according to the report.

"As far as American leadership is concerned, yes," said McCain, who also vocally criticized many of the Obama administration's foreign policy decisions.

McCain also lost to Obama when he ran as the GOP nominee in the 2008 presidential election.

The top Senate Republican was also asked what "message" the president delivered to the U.K. last week when he publicly criticized London's mayor, shortly after a terror-related attack that left eight people dead and many more wounded.

"What do you think the message is? The message is that America doesn't want to lead," said McCain, chairman on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

"They are not sure of American leadership, whether it be in Siberia or whether it be in Antarctica," he added.

Trump criticized London Mayor Sadiq Khan's comment that Londoners should not be alarmed by the increased police presence following the attack by taking the statement out of context.

"Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his 'no reason to be alarmed' statement," Trump tweeted last week.

Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement. MSM is working hard to sell it!
- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 5, 2017

Trump also used the two recent attacks in the United Kingdom to renew his push to ban refugees and immigrants from several predominantly Muslim countries.
 

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You would think that a man that spent time as a POW would be less of a raving war-monger.

John is a dinosaur and needs to:
Shut up
Retire and let someone less clueless have a shot at being the sitting Senator.

Apologize for being on the take with the S&L industry.

Rotters, the lot.
 

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You would think that a made that sopent time as a POW would be less of a raving war-monger.
John is a dinosaur and needs to:
Shut up
Retire and let someone less clueless have a shot at being the sitting Senator.
Apologize for being on the take with the S&L industry.
Rotters, the lot.
Just goes to show ya, the Republicans have a few idiots, too!:eek:
 

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Just goes to show ya, the Republicans have a few idiots, too!:eek:
McCain is a RHINO. He should switch parties, the crap he spouts is only fit for a liberal stupid party. He has never gotten over the fact Trump won and John lost.

When McCain apologized for calling his captors Gooks, that was when I lost all faith in him. Somebody tortures me, a racial slur is the least of the things I would be calling them. He bowed down to political correctness and has been losing ever since. His next election I will be actively campaigning against him.
 

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Trump is doing a poor job, is leadership is lacking. Remember Trump attacked McCain during the campaign.

McCain has been a great American with lots of history. Someone that spent 5 years in a box for his country can say whatever he pleases and for that matter apologize as he pleases.

Got to give the nod to the man who who served his country!
 

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Trump is doing a poor job, is leadership is lacking. Remember Trump attacked McCain during the campaign.

McCain has been a great American with lots of history. Someone that spent 5 years in a box for his country can say whatever he pleases and for that matter apologize as he pleases.

Got to give the nod to the man who who served his country!
I applaud his service to our country! I do not applaud his disservice to our country he is doing now! McCain proves you can be a military hero and a political disaster. One does not equate to the other. Audie Murphy was a medal of Honor Winner but a mediocre actor. Military courage - absolutely. Political courage - not so much.
 

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The more the MSM and long-term career politicians bash Trump, the more I believe I made the right choice in helping to elect him. He is a business man, not a career politician looking to get re-elected to the gravy train. After his stint, he is going to go back to HIS JOB and does not have to worry about kissing A$$ now so he can have a diplomatic forever job later. He is not always going to be PC. He is blut, arrogant and looking at the bottom line, not a popularity contest. In the business world, someone is going to get pissed, no matter what decision you make for the better of your company. In the political arena, they try to piss no one off and settle for whatever makes everyone happy. That doesn’t always work out to be the best way. If only Ross Perot would have gotten a chance years ago… He was telling folks the way things are, not the Unicorn and lollipops way they wish them to be.
 

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He is delusional as are most of our politicians. War hero? I know he was in the military but hero? There are a bunch of gang bangers in the military now who are there for nothing more than the training to bring back to the streets, we calling them hero's to? Hero's don't betray their country!
 

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I applaud his service to our country!
Let me be clear, I voted for McCain, he is my senator...

Service to his country... he got shot down, and then he got captured, way to go Johnny!

There was nobody even close in the primary or a good Democrat running against him, so there was no real choice, I guess I didn't have to vote for anybody.

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McSame needs to STFU, the American people chose peace and prosperity over NWO wars and mindless patriotism.[The MY country, right or wrong crowd.]Maybe he should move back to Vietnam and buy the Hanoi Hilton and turn it into a bead and breakfast? I grew up around LITERALLY HUNDREDS of Vietnam vets, some were OK, some were A-holes, Some had issues. NONE would sell this country down the river EVER, like he has done numerous times. he's a disgrace to his brothers, living and dead.

Can you tell I don't like him yet? I bet he's just pissed Trump didn't hand him knee pads and tell him he has a position under his desk for him like Lord B0ngo did! The sooner he retires to some banana republic or drops dead of old age, the better our country will be! NONE of my Vietnam vet friends like him, and several cuss him worse than I want to.this man is NO hero! not anymore.
 

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Trump is doing a poor job, is leadership is lacking. Remember Trump attacked McCain during the campaign.

McCain has been a great American with lots of history. Someone that spent 5 years in a box for his country can say whatever he pleases and for that matter apologize as he pleases.

Got to give the nod to the man who who served his country!
I can't resist.
Trump is doing all he can without people like McSame getting in his way, so far, so good so what? next idiot in office will undo it all.

That being said, I'm NOT a Trump fanboy.a dishonest business tycoon turns politician WHAT COULD GO WRONG?! I'm kind of liking him, I'll NEVER trust him, he's a snake, but right now he's OUR snake. but hell, people change. in 20 years I've watched McSame go from decent servant of the people to a neocon liberal lap dog. twenty years ago I'd have been good with that, now. service record or not, he's just another back stabbing politician who'd sell his mother for a vote.
 

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IF Leadership was more efficient with obama (Heil Fuhrer) it would be (IMHO) because of all the Brown shirts were marching in unison.

Today the Brown Shirts are purposely out of step causing more distracting and work for President Trump.
 

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Since McCain spent 6 years as a POW in North Vietnam, I gave him a pass on making stupid comments, But he has made way to many stupid remarks to give him any more credibility. I now think that he has stepped into the mental illness arena and can no longer be considered to be any more then a Washington insider and needs to be ignored.
 

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I'm not up to date on McCain's military service record. What metal and/or what did he do that earned him the "Hero" title?
The only thing I'm aware of was that he refused to leave the POW camp without his men. They were going to send him home.
 

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McCain has been bought, sold, rented out, and prostituted 10 ways from Sunday by his puppet masters. If he has something to say it is because someone with a massive financial interest in something wrote it on a piece of paper and told him to say it.

What he gave in service to his nation does not excuse the continuous disservice has has provided to this country for many years now.
 

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McCain has been a great American with lots of history. Someone that spent 5 years in a box for his country can say whatever he pleases and for that matter apologize as he pleases. Got to give the nod to the man who who served his country!
At one time I would have agreed with you...but not now. McCain has changed, drastically. I don't know what his problem is, but he definitely has mental issues, and right now he should just STFU!

I also have to disagree with you on Trump....even though he has some skeletons in the background (who doesn't?), for the most part what he wants to do is "spot on." The REAL problem is the rest of the damn GOP is so politico-scared of Liberal backlash, they are not climbing on board and taking advantage of what is likely the only opportunity they are going to have to get the "Liberal train" derailed. If the GOP continues to blow this opportunity, come 2020 the Dems will be back in power, and Conservatives will ALL need to be looking for a rock to crawl under, because the U. S. will go down the tubes so fast it'll make your head swim!! You think things are bad now, let the Dems win in 2020....you'll see BAD real fast!! :censored::censored:
 

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McCain was offered release because his father was a politician. He refused to leave before people that had been captured before him. At that time he was a man of honor and I thank him for his military service.

Today McCain is a socialist and if he doesn't like President Trump that is one big point for Trump in my book.

McCain is known for being shot down. What I have never heard is how many planes he shot down.
Is there proof? Too many Politicians, claim they invented the Internet or ducked sniper fire or visited all 57 States except Alaska and Hawaii or are here to help us.

Update:

Some of the unreleased pages in McCain's Navy file may not reflect well upon his qualifications for the presidency. From day one in the Navy, McCain screwed-up again and again, only to be forgiven because his father and grandfather were four-star admirals. McCain's sense of entitlement to privileged treatment bears an eerie resemblance to George W. Bush's.

Despite graduating in the bottom 1 percent of his Annapolis class, McCain was offered the most sought-after Navy assignment - to become an aircraft carrier pilot. According to military historian John Karaagac, "'the Airedales,' the air wing of the Navy, acted and still do, as if unrivaled atop the naval pyramid. They acted as if they owned, not only the Navy, but the entire swath of blue water on the earth's surface." The most accomplished midshipmen compete furiously for the few carrier pilot openings. After four abysmal academic years at Annapolis distinguished, according to his own books, by mediocrity and misdeeds, no one with a record resembling McCain's would have been offered such a prized career path. The justification for this and subsequent plum assignments should be documented in McCain's naval file.

McCain's file should also include records and analytic reviews of McCain's subsequent sub-par performances. Here are a few cited in two highly favorable biographies, both titled John McCain, one by Robert Timberg and the other by John Karaagac.

Timberg:

"[A]fter a European fling with the tobacco heiress, John McCain reported to flight school at Pensacola in August 1958.... [H]is performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it. What he loved was the kick-the-tire, start-the-fire, scarf-in-the-wind life of a naval aviator. ...One Saturday morning, as McCain was practicing landings, his engine quit and his plane plunged into Corpus Christi. Knocked unconscious by the impact, he came to as the plane settled to the bottom....McCain was an adequate pilot, but he had no patience for studying dry aviation manuals.... His professional growth, though reasonably steady, had its troubled moments. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines, which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.... [In 1965] he flew a trainer solo to Philadelphia for the Army-Navy game. Flying by way of Norfolk, he had just begun his descent over unpopulated tidal terrain when the engine died. 'I've got a flameout,' he radioed. He went through the standard relight procedures three times. At one thousand feet he ejected, landing on the deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees."

Adds Karaagac:

"In his memoir, everything becomes a kind of game of adolescent brinksmanship, how much can one press the limits of the acceptable and elude the powers that be....The [fighter jocks'] ethos of exaggerated, almost aggressive sociability becomes an end in itself and an excuse for license. There is a tendency for people, not simply to believe their own mythology but, indeed, to exaggerate it.... Fighter jocks, like politicians around their campaign contributions, often press the limits of the acceptable. It is a type of mild corruption that takes place in a highly privileged atmosphere, where restraints are loosened and excuses made....McCain gives some hint in his memoirs about where he stood in the hierarchy among carrier flyers. Instead of the sleek and newer Phantoms and Crusaders, McCain flew the dependable Douglas A-4 Skyhawk in an attack, not a fighter squadron. He was thus on the lower end of the flying totem pole."

The genius of McCain's mythmaking is his perceived humility amid perpetual defiance. Having been a rebel without cause, and often a rebel without consequences, McCain apparently was not surprised when his Vietnamese captors went relatively easy on him compared to his fellow POWs. The Vietnamese military secretly and frequently filmed the American POWs to learn their propensities. Col. Pham Van Hoa of the Vietnamese People's Army Film Department was in charge of the filming. Asked recently for his dominant impression of McCain, the now-retired Van Hoa said that McCain "seemed superior to other prisoners." How so? "Superior in attitude towards them."

But when Mark Salter, McCain's closest aide and co-author, was asked by the Arizona New Times about the first McCain memoir, Faith of My Fathers, that he was then working on, Salter said the book would showcase a humble McCain. When I worked on this book with him, he just kept saying, "Other guys had it a lot worse. I think they took it easier on me because of who my dad was. . . . When they tied me in ropes, they'd roll my sleeve up to give it a little padding between the rope and my bicep, you know, little things I noticed. The only really hard time I had was when I didn't go home, and then it only lasted a week, and sometimes I felt braver, I felt I could get away with more.'"

Is McCain now getting away with more by hiding his official history and by having his national security adviser inflate McCain's resume with a bogus promotion to admiral humbly declined? If so, McCain may be attempting to hide why the Navy was in fact slow to promote him upwards despite his suffering as a POW and his distinguished naval heritage.

One possible reason: After McCain had returned from Vietnam as a war hero and was physically rehabilitated, he was urged by his medical caretakers and military colleagues never to fly again. But McCain insisted on going up. As Carl Bernstein reported in Vanity Fair, he piloted an ultra-light, single propeller plane - and crashed another time. His fifth loss of a plane has vanished from public records, but should be a subject of discussion in his Navy file. It wouldn't be surprising if his naval superiors worried that McCain was just too defiant, too reckless and too crash prone.

Regardless, McCain owes it to the country to release his complete naval records so that American voters can see his documented history and make an informed decision.

** An earlier version of this story may have left the impression that John Kerry had signed the 180 military waiver during the 2004 presidential campaign. It has been updated to clarify the timing of the release.

Jeffrey Klein is an investigative journalist who co-founded Mother Jones; directed exposes of Newt Gingrich, Big Tobacco and the introduction of offensive weapons into space; co-produced for The News Hour with Jim Lehrer a series on China's economy that won a Gerald Loeb Award; and taught journalism at Stanford, San Francisco State and Cal. He is currently reporting on assignment for the Investigative Fund of the Nation Institute, which provided research support for this article. Research assistance was provided by Peter Jackson.
 

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So he's really been a POS all along, riding the coat tails of his family connections....sounds about right, considering his present position on nearly everything. FIVE crashes and he's still allowed to fly? WTF!! :rolleyes:
 
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