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Well the facts are the facts and the FREE PRESS IN THE GOOD OLD USA has reported it so, I honestly can differ from a democrat or republican or liberal or green party or independent I think that we all live in a country that with respect and without predigest we can all express our opinion or views on what we read or see and let history be the judge of everything .
First sitting American president who has praise a dictator who has criticized the nations free press the nations security inner structure made fun of woman and now has place another billionaire as head of our education system known to be a religious nut set on using tax money for charter schools, Trump’s son-in-law, will reportedly serve as a senior adviser in the new White House, he`s 36 years old ,senior to whom , labor chief nominee had undocumented housekeeper working for him, chief strategist been accused of domestic violence and anti-Semitic sentiments by his ex-wife, though he has denied those claims and also stated that birth control makes women unattractive and crazy ,even Mr. Trump has back away from his statements on NATO; Trump has offered varying stances on NATO during his campaign and presidency, calling the membership obsolete and ill-prepared to confront modern-day threats ,when in all actuality Germany ,UK ,France ,Spain , Switzerland have some of the best armies in the world today. I think Mr. Trump needs to slow down some and read a little about our history and the world and come down from his throne and get in touch with the real American people, those in the hills of TN, the small farmers in the plains, the mom`s and pop`s who run small business in rural America and raise families without a government handout ,the core of what America is all about .Oh and get his wife a real job like serving tables in a small town dinner or school teacher. My honest opinion folks ,I`m not making fun of our president at all.
 

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Things aren't going good and well, he has a R by his name and all objectivity has gone out the window.

Never thought I'd see the day when an American President stated on national TV and praises and life long enemy of America and states that "do you think the US is so innocent" and people that pride themselves as patriotic are silent about this.


Sad times.
 

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I'm loyal to the rule of law but not those who selectively enforce it. I'm loyal to our system of government but not those who govern. I'm loyal to our Constitution and our Founders and the vision of a nation they had, the memory of which are all but gone. While there are many people like me, there are many in this country who aren't. We are a nation divided.

While we have always been divided on some issues, we've remained a cohesive society over the past couple centuries. But what divides us today are views on fundamental issues: property rights, the right to life (see: property rights), collectivism versus individuality, whether or not breaking the law is good or bad depending on who's breaking it, which party is always right and which is always wrong, and so on.

Many folks with unwavering views and opinions based on emotion and little or no facts are content in their ignorance and would rather kill than objectively re-evaluate what they believe and why. We can lay the blame for this partly with schools that fail to teach, with the lying mainstream media, and with parents who have failed to teach and guide their children. Part of the blame must lie with the individual, too, of course.

The irony is that we live in an unprecedented information age. Just about the sum total of human knowledge is available to everyone, but most of us don't take any advantage of it.

Sad times, indeed.
 

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This belongs in politics.

I'm sick of all the hysterical Trump bashing.

Hey, MASE, don't ever send me another private message. I refuse to read them after all the insults I read in the first one. The next time you send me one I WILL post it in the public forum.
 

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This belongs in politics.

I'm sick of all the hysterical Trump bashing.

Hey, MASE, don't ever send me another private message. I refuse to read them after all the insults I read in the first one. The next time you send me one I WILL post it in the public forum.
You crack me up. Asking you to respond to hyperbole and asking you not to call me names is insulting? Please post them, let others judge.

I'll be waiting.

@Bkt - great post. Far too many emotional opinions are expounded based on the fact we have a soap box to repeat the emotional statements they need to say via social media.

I'm not going to lie, I do it too. Google is at each one of our fingertips and the misinformation is crazy.
 

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Yup, I think we all do it at times. But owning up to that and admitting and correcting mistakes is what's important.

For the record, I don't like the hysterical anti-Trump stuff, either. But the well-reasoned anti-Trump sentiments, such as those that spring from Trump's supporting the Kelo decision and pledging to continue the illegal NSA activities, concerns me a great deal but is seldom discussed.
 

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Im glad we have a leader that can see history for what it is. If you think our government is so innocent just ask a teenager in Iraq.
 

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Im glad we have a leader that can see history for what it is. If you think our government is so innocent just ask a teenager in Iraq.
biobacon that is not what this is about.. the compliant on Putin is that he kills reporters in Russia, assassinates them along with political opponents in Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia https://qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/

so yeah.. let history be the judge. look, I am betting Trump doesn't have a clue what the question was even about.. alternately he was trying to make it about something else, because of this weird love affair he has with Putin in particular and strongman dictators in general.. Trump has no problem being hardass with allies and being critical of them.. but he has never said an unkind word about Putin... that is very unsettling for me.. it's enough for me to consider that there just might be some truth the Russians have some dirt on Trump, but then Trump is an exceptionally weird guy and he is obviously in over his head. There is learning curve for everybody and I try to give him the benefit of the doubt

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/europe/putin-critic-vladimir-kara-murza-poison/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...fab78677d51_story.html?utm_term=.93093a44df1a

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/31...egedly-passed-information-to-cia-trump-putin/

We are not talking conducting war, we are talking state sponsored terrorism and assassination specifically to suppress civil freedoms against it's own people we are talking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot

when it comes to war, I know a lot of you are not sophisticated when it comes to some of the technical and tactical differences between the US and every other military in the world. But the simple fact is your tax dollars are spent in the billions specifically to reduce collateral damage and not killing civilians.

War used to be 1000 planes raid and fire bombings http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-tokyo

or http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-dresden

now we spend billions of you tax dollars on stuff like this http://www.military.com/daily-news/...ns-next-mosul-battle.html?ESRC=army_170207.nl .. it's a big deal with us.. we take addition risks to try and do it right, even before the technology existed .. the US Air Force insisted on daylight bombing so they had a better chance of actually hitting military targets , even after the Royal Air Force switched to night area bombing to reduce RAF losses in both men and equipment. It is why we lost roughly the same number of air crew over Europe in WW2 as we lost in ground combat.

not this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/20/un-aid-convoy-attack-syria-us-russia
 

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Putin is a bad guy. So are the mullahs of Iran, so are lots of other world leaders our presidents have had to work with. I don't like Putin, and I don't agree with much of what he does but I do admire his desire to put what he thinks is best for his country.
 

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Terri.. if it was only true .. Putin doesn't do what is best for his country , he does what is best for him and his small circle of friends

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-if-so-does-it-matter/?utm_term=.2bcb9aed3aeb

http://www.cnbc.com/2013/09/12/how-wealthy-is-russian-president-vladimir-putin.html

Nobody can say for sure... he won't release his tax records

on the other hand http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-per-capita

it has gone up recently but look at this

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB&view=10Y

the Russian Ruble is worth less than half what it was just 5 or 10 years ago

The average Russian income in below the US Poverty level

Russia ( pop 143 million) has an economy ( 1.26 trillion ) about a little smaller than South Korea ( pop 51 million GDP 1.4 Trillion) and a little larger than Australia ( pop 25 million GDP 1.24 trillion )

For comparison California pop about 40 million and GDP about 2.2 Trillion

Russia spends an inordinate amount of money on world status projects It's military , space program and they damnnear went broke doing the Olympics . They are desperate for people to believe they are still the superpower USSR

from the wiki link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Soviet_Union
"In 1989, the official GDP of the Soviet Union was $2,500 Billion while the GDP of the United States was $4,862 Billion with per capita income figures as $8,700 and $19,800 respectively."

We are at a GDP of about 19 Trillion pop 320 Million per capita now $54,500

Russian per capita is up about 50% US per capita is up 250%

Russia and Putin very sensitive about people thinking they aren't the unbelievably greatestest bestest looking country with the most people at their inaugurations.

Putin is very interested about his popularity polls and mentions them at every opportunity https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...87e721fb231_story.html?utm_term=.1871a3eb119c
 

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Ammosgt, THANK YOU! very informative. Spot on!
 

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I don't know if any commentary on the Travel ban fits in here .. but as an example of incompetence I think t can be used as an example of pisspoorplaning

Now I am much against terrorists coming in as the next snowflake .. but we have problem .. the ban has a religious cut out and I have heard some saying minority religions can include Shia and Sunni in a majority Muslim nation where one sect is the majority and the other a minority.. I mean, they do tend to pick on one another, blow up each other mosque's and open air markets . so that might sound reasonable and it would certainly disarm the complaint that it is a Muslim ban. But I see a problem with that.. take Iraq for example The Shia and Sunni have been feuding for quite some time.. the nation is about 2/3rds Shia and 1/3rd Sunni .. so under the ban with the religious cut out it may be the Shia's would be banned and the Sunni could immigrate . Just one technical problem .. The Shia are our Allies in fighting the Sunni ISIS terrorists ... can't make this stuff up.
 

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Russia has an economy the size of Italy. They aren't a threat on their own. The only reason they started making a move in the Middle East is because obama was such a spineless pussy he gave them not just a window but an open door.

As terri stated there are a lot of unsavory world leaders we have to have a relationship with. Putin isn't any different.

Whether he is a good leader or not and how he treats the press and citizens in his own country is really none our business. It's their country let them sort it out as we go about working to fix ours.

Trump is not a Republican (in my opinion), as I've heard mentioned several times. He is an outsider to all political parties. He is going to do things we don't like. We are still going to be far better off after 4 -8 years than if we had elected another run of the mill politician or ,God forbid, a clinton. His executive orders have done nothing but reverse the main points of the socialist agenda obama was trying to shove down the throat of our country. I haven't seen him do one thing outside the scope of the executive branch. Not yet at least. Let's give this political outsider and business man a chance to find some practical solutions and hope that Congress and senate can get their ass in gear and start acting in the interest of the people.

Mase, you have suggested several times we were duped by Trump. I am not stupid or blind and I have not been duped. I also have not placed Trump on a pedestal. He will do a lot in his presidency I don't like. Even if he only does slight improvements in a few areas that is still a giant leap forward considering the giant slide down to socialism we were on. Yes, nationalism can be, and is, just as dangerous. However, right now it's directing us back to the middle and thats at least the right direction. It is good to be vigilant but let's give the guy at least half a chance to right the ship.
 

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I don't know if any commentary on the Travel ban fits in here .. but as an example of incompetence I think t can be used as an example of pisspoorplaning

Now I am much against terrorists coming in as the next snowflake .. but we have problem .. the ban has a religious cut out and I have heard some saying minority religions can include Shia and Sunni in a majority Muslim nation where one sect is the majority and the other a minority.. I mean, they do tend to pick on one another, blow up each other mosque's and open air markets . so that might sound reasonable and it would certainly disarm the complaint that it is a Muslim ban. But I see a problem with that.. take Iraq for example The Shia and Sunni have been feuding for quite some time.. the nation is about 2/3rds Shia and 1/3rd Sunni .. so under the ban with the religious cut out it may be the Shia's would be banned and the Sunni could immigrate . Just one technical problem .. The Shia are our Allies in fighting the Sunni ISIS terrorists ... can't make this stuff up.
What is your solution to keeping terrorists from coming here? I've heard a lot of complaining about the travel ban on the net and the news but nothing constructive. Is there a better way that can be realistically implemented? Europe's plan didn't work out so well for them. I don't have a problem with limiting immigration from countries that seem to be the root of the terrorist problem. They aren't citizens, cannot be easily vetted, and we have seen a different more accepting border policy be disastrous to our European allies. So what is your idea?
 

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Reality check

I was struck by the statement, (paraphrasing here), that our military spends big tax bucks to minimize collateral damage.

There is no such animal as a "civilized" war. The purpose of war, (which is the ultimate political activity), is to force your adversary to your will.

(I seem to remember that Marines used to be taught that their mission was to kill people and to break things.)

Anything less than dedication to total victory, (up to and including the annihilation of all enemy population if necessary to remove their will to resist), results in the type of tinkerbell police actions we have engaged in since Korea.

Asking our warfighters to sacrifice themselves for anything less than total victory is an insult to our warriors and a :censored: abomination.:brickwall:
 

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What is your solution to keeping terrorists from coming here? I've heard a lot of complaining about the travel ban on the net and the news but nothing constructive. Is there a better way that can be realistically implemented? Europe's plan didn't work out so well for them. I don't have a problem with limiting immigration from countries that seem to be the root of the terrorist problem. They aren't citizens, cannot be easily vetted, and we have seen a different more accepting border policy be disastrous to our European allies. So what is your idea?
What Terrorists? we put measures into effect after 9/11 .. Do you know of any foreign based terror attacks since then? close as you are going to get is San Bernardino , The shooters wife.

Our whole system of justice is predicate on punishing the individual that commits the crime.. and our whole system of immigration is based on vetting each individual .. it has been a truism of counterterrorism from day one.. don't profile .. if you profile and the terrorist figure out that you are they will get folks that don't fit the profile. And why just Muslims ? Oklahoma City, Olympic Park in Atlanta ring any bells ? The hot thing now is Venezuela, they are broke.. they are desperate , and they don't like us .. they sell passports to anybody .. not fake.. real passports you want to check a passport from Venezuela call their Embassy they will validate it.

How much freedom do you want to surrender to feel safe? we already got that damn Patriot act and NSA out of this .. how much more?
"If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

― Samuel Adams

There is no defense possible or actually needed against a fake threat.

It's your fellow country men that feel like they get crapped on because they are different that are shooting up the place and that hear a little bit of ugly truth in the Terrorist propaganda and it is Christians as well as Muslims

They hit the Twin Towers twice once with a truck bomb and then with the Planes we didn't do much after the first attack , but after the second we did , and it is working so far .. when we find a weakness we make you take your shoes off .. or we limit the liquids you can carry on. You want better intel make friends with the communities where the terrorists are coming from right here in the US.. treat them like allies and get the good timely intel ..
Most the crime problem we have .. you name it inner cities .. gangs and self radicalized are all coming from people that got the short end of the stick and are treated differently.. and crime and terror flourishes because the community won't cooperate with the cops .. it's like the old days with the mafia and the gang wars .. treat immigrants like crap and make something illegal like booze or drugs or prostitution where hey can make lots of money and build an organization and you start getting people shot it the street you ban unions and decent working conditions and bombs start going off in mines and factories and the pinkertons have to start shooting strikers down in the streets

This ain't new and we know how to fix it .. we just hate to have to respect folks and apply justice equally to do it... we rather use it as an excuse to ban machine guns and listen to your phone .. come on you know this

Over a thousand lynching by thee Klan protection rackets by the Tongs enforced by terror and arson The Jewish Purple Gang The Irish donated and provided safe haven for the IRA for how long ? The list goes on now it's illegal/ blackmarket oil and slaves for revenue and blow up somebody your don't like for street cred ... and [people want to give up their rights and crap their pants on command .. get away from me
 

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What Terrorists? we put measures into effect after 9/11 .. Do you know of any foreign based terror attacks since then? close as you are going to get is San Bernardino , The shooters wife.

Our whole system of justice is predicate on punishing the individual that commits the crime.. and our whole system of immigration is based on vetting each individual .. it has been a truism of counterterrorism from day one.. don't profile .. if you profile and the terrorist figure out that you are they will get folks that don't fit the profile. And why just Muslims ? Oklahoma City, Olympic Park in Atlanta ring any bells ? The hot thing now is Venezuela, they are broke.. they are desperate , and they don't like us .. they sell passports to anybody .. not fake.. real passports you want to check a passport from Venezuela call their Embassy they will validate it.

How much freedom do you want to surrender to feel safe? we already got that damn Patriot act and NSA out of this .. how much more?
"If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

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There is no defense possible or actually needed against a fake threat.

It's your fellow country men that feel like they get crapped on because they are different that are shooting up the place and that hear a little bit of ugly truth in the Terrorist propaganda and it is Christians as well as Muslims

They hit the Twin Towers twice once with a truck bomb and then with the Planes we didn't do much after the first attack , but after the second we did , and it is working so far .. when we find a weakness we make you take your shoes off .. or we limit the liquids you can carry on. You want better intel make friends with the communities where the terrorists are coming from right here in the US.. treat them like allies and get the good timely intel ..
Most the crime problem we have .. you name it inner cities .. gangs and self radicalized are all coming from people that got the short end of the stick and are treated differently.. and crime and terror flourishes because the community won't cooperate with the cops .. it's like the old days with the mafia and the gang wars .. treat immigrants like crap and make something illegal like booze or drugs or prostitution where hey can make lots of money and build an organization and you start getting people shot it the street you ban unions and decent working conditions and bombs start going off in mines and factories and the pinkertons have to start shooting strikers down in the streets

This ain't new and we know how to fix it .. we just hate to have to respect folks and apply justice equally to do it... we rather use it as an excuse to ban machine guns and listen to your phone .. come on you know this

Over a thousand lynching by thee Klan protection rackets by the Tongs enforced by terror and arson The Jewish Purple Gang The Irish donated and provided safe haven for the IRA for how long ? The list goes on now it's illegal/ blackmarket oil and slaves for revenue and blow up somebody your don't like for street cred ... and [people want to give up their rights and crap their pants on command .. get away from me
What terrorist attacks? You can't be serious when you called it a "fake threat". There a lot of heartbroken folks in Europe, here and elsewhere that can testify to the threat of terrorism. The same threat we are attempting to stop before they reach our shores and cause the same heartache here. If that is your honest opinion we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.

I agree with you about the Patriot act and the limitation of freedoms, but, these people are not citizens. They are foreign nationals trying to immigrate to our country and we have every right to vet them and limit access while we do so and deny access if we wish. One of the original duties of the federal government (there were 5) was to protect our borders. Protecting our borders includes deciding who we let cross them. Granted, the rights outlined by the Constitution are natural rights given to all men by God, Creator, or natural law and not government but in this country our Constitution protects those rights for our citizens. If citizens of other countries wish to have those rights they are welcome to create a government that does so in their home country.

I agree that terrorists are not our only problem but to suggest we just treat refugees from terrorist hot beds like allies and keep an eye on them for Intel purposes is a difficult idea for me to swallow. I find it hard to believe that would be suggested. We can do the same thing while they are elsewhere at much less risk to our society. Yes we have airport security but they don't have to bring weapons with them. There are a lot of ways to cause mass casualties they can procure after they are here.

As to profiling, if it comes from the duck pond, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and the ducks are causing massive harm around the world I have no problem making sure it's not a duck before it moves in next door. They are foreign nationals not citizens. Thought I should mention that again.

Saying that Christians and other groups are causing harm as well does not negate the threat of Islamic terrorism even if it is true. That's a common argument I see time and time again and it doesn't hold water. When discussing something that is bad and your comeback argument is "well others are bad too" is nothing but misdirection. It doesn't change the original subject being bad to start saying the same thing about others. Common argument used in political speak. I don't allow it to hold sway when listening to politicians speak and won't let it hold sway with me here either. It's a ridiculous debate tactic and you seem to be well informed and intelligent enough to refrain from using it as I have enjoyed many of your posts.
 

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A couple of points.. I'm not saying treat them as allies unless they are in fact allies .. and a lot of the Shia are literally put on the uniform stand shoulder to shoulder on the front lines allies.. we have over 10,000 locals in Ieaqq serving as translators .. the whole supply chain supply chain supporting our forces and make up 90% of the forces in Combat fighting ISIS

Come on.. the fact we are in heavy urban door to door fight in the second largest city in Iraq against ISIS ( prewar pop about a million) has been mentioned in the news we have been at it for a while.. we have 5000 troops in Iraq .. do you notice anything missing? anything? Trump made campaign issue out of not sneaking up on them and announcing when we were going to attack.. he thought it was dumb.. but we do it to give civilians a chance to get out of the way.. and it's not because we think they look like Bambi and we don't want to shoot them .. it is so ISIS can't use them as human shields and then we have to shoot them. and it also happens to be a well known fact in most of the world that the US Army is pretty damnscary and often the enemy will refuse battle and leave themselves .. .. heavy fighting gunships artillery air strikes door to door hand grenades bayonets ... everything under the sun except a casualty list ... because we aren't doing the dying our Shia allies are .

Here it is, straight from the troops http://www.military.com/daily-news/...veterans-rushed-help.html?ESRC=army_170131.nl read it damn it they are our allies the one they blocked at the airport served 10 years translating and interrogating the locals and saving American lives and he is only here because his kid needs a liver . And if you being safe had anything to do with the travel ban at all, Saudi Arabia would have been on that list

Safety my pink puckered pattooty no terrorist action in America from any nation on the list and none of them have a trump Hotel and every nation that has sent terrorist has a trump hotel and isn't on the list ... that's a pretty weird coincidence.

And what is happening in Europe is because these people have a beef with Europe all it's own that goes back to the Crusades and colonial powers and what happened to America first and let Europe protect Europe but even then with over a millions refugees and 40 years of importing labor from the Middle East auf Deutsch "Gastarbiters " and you go to a beer fest and you see a big banner over the entrance that says "Kein Gastarbiter" no foreign workers they fly them in when the need laborers and the fly them out when they don't and they pay them more than they would get at home and less than anybody in Europe gets and you still have very few bad actors .

You stop a guy 20 times for driving while black and you serious still expect him to rat out a gang banger? possible risk his life? you expect him to treat a cop like an ally ? You expect illegals to come forward and tell what they know about "white slavery' and drug running? and risk deportation?
yeah we have other problems? it's just that those other problems are hitting on Americans every single day and killing thousand every single year and you priority is on terrorist attacks .. that is sick. You would save more American lives if we passed a law that every house and structure in America had to have a lightening rod properly grounded.. Your fear is unreasonable

A woman is raped every two minutes in America and at last estimate over 4 million rape kits are untested for lack of funds and terrorist attacks are your priority? A quarter of all children get sexually abused at least once and Terrorists get the funding and the headlines and are a reason to elect Trump?

about 250,000 guns get stolen every year and only 20% ever get recovered.. and your primary concern is terrorists ..

Folks you simply got to get a grip and realize they are playing you and hyping the terror threat way beyond what it is to make it look like or sound like we don't have a handle on it and effective countermeasures .. we do. we really do .. way beyond what anybody has any right to expect , just based on odds and the fact no system is perfect .. way beyond the point one would expect diminishing returns for the over investment we have put in to it.
 

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Terri.. if it was only true .. Putin doesn't do what is best for his country , he does what is best for him and his small circle of friends
He's doing what he thinks is best, not what we think is best. Not everyone in the world thinks alike. That's why there are so many conflicts.
 

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A couple of points.. I'm not saying treat them as allies unless they are in fact allies .. and a lot of the Shia are literally put on the uniform stand shoulder to shoulder on the front lines allies.. we have over 10,000 locals in Ieaqq serving as translators .. the whole supply chain supply chain supporting our forces and make up 90% of the forces in Combat fighting ISIS

Come on.. the fact we are in heavy urban door to door fight in the second largest city in Iraq against ISIS ( prewar pop about a million) has been mentioned in the news we have been at it for a while.. we have 5000 troops in Iraq .. do you notice anything missing? anything? Trump made campaign issue out of not sneaking up on them and announcing when we were going to attack.. he thought it was dumb.. but we do it to give civilians a chance to get out of the way.. and it's not because we think they look like Bambi and we don't want to shoot them .. it is so ISIS can't use them as human shields and then we have to shoot them. and it also happens to be a well known fact in most of the world that the US Army is pretty damnscary and often the enemy will refuse battle and leave themselves .. .. heavy fighting gunships artillery air strikes door to door hand grenades bayonets ... everything under the sun except a casualty list ... because we aren't doing the dying our Shia allies are .

Here it is, straight from the troops http://www.military.com/daily-news/...veterans-rushed-help.html?ESRC=army_170131.nl read it damn it they are our allies the one they blocked at the airport served 10 years translating and interrogating the locals and saving American lives and he is only here because his kid needs a liver . And if you being safe had anything to do with the travel ban at all, Saudi Arabia would have been on that list

Safety my pink puckered pattooty no terrorist action in America from any nation on the list and none of them have a trump Hotel and every nation that has sent terrorist has a trump hotel and isn't on the list ... that's a pretty weird coincidence.

And what is happening in Europe is because these people have a beef with Europe all it's own that goes back to the Crusades and colonial powers and what happened to America first and let Europe protect Europe but even then with over a millions refugees and 40 years of importing labor from the Middle East auf Deutsch "Gastarbiters " and you go to a beer fest and you see a big banner over the entrance that says "Kein Gastarbiter" no foreign workers they fly them in when the need laborers and the fly them out when they don't and they pay them more than they would get at home and less than anybody in Europe gets and you still have very few bad actors .

You stop a guy 20 times for driving while black and you serious still expect him to rat out a gang banger? possible risk his life? you expect him to treat a cop like an ally ? You expect illegals to come forward and tell what they know about "white slavery' and drug running? and risk deportation?
yeah we have other problems? it's just that those other problems are hitting on Americans every single day and killing thousand every single year and you priority is on terrorist attacks .. that is sick. You would save more American lives if we passed a law that every house and structure in America had to have a lightening rod properly grounded.. Your fear is unreasonable

A woman is raped every two minutes in America and at last estimate over 4 million rape kits are untested for lack of funds and terrorist attacks are your priority? A quarter of all children get sexually abused at least once and Terrorists get the funding and the headlines and are a reason to elect Trump?

about 250,000 guns get stolen every year and only 20% ever get recovered.. and your primary concern is terrorists ..

Folks you simply got to get a grip and realize they are playing you and hyping the terror threat way beyond what it is to make it look like or sound like we don't have a handle on it and effective countermeasures .. we do. we really do .. way beyond what anybody has any right to expect , just based on odds and the fact no system is perfect .. way beyond the point one would expect diminishing returns for the over investment we have put in to it.
I respectfully disagree with just about all of that. The terrorism threat is real. They are not our allies. They are fighting for power over their country and are using us to that end. When I was in Afghanistan half of the interpreters working for us and the chief of police in our area were all arrested for giving Intel to the other side and almost every other one was playing both ends against the middle for their own gain.

You just inferred that Trump made the travel ban on these countries because they don't have Trump hotels and don't do business with him? Really? You honestly believe that Trump is using his power to punish countries for not doing business with him? You honestly think that is more probable than a honest desire to keep people that wish to do our country harm from immigrating here? Wow. All due respect but that is some tight tinfoil hat stuff right there.

All the other stuff you mentioned is completely off point. More of the "other stuff is bad as a way to discount the issue being discussed". That's a juvenile debate tactic and irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You have to do better than that. Nobody is saying we don't have other issues facing us that need attention. It's being worked on. Not perfectly as always but it's not being ignored. I reject your inference that just because we are worried about the legitimate threat of terrorism that we do so at the expense of making our other issues a priority as well. Compared to some of the places I've lived America is the land of honey and sunshine while all us carebears spend our days shitting rainbows.

You are right that our country has been divided down racial and class lines. The liberal progressive movement that has gained so much traction in our society in recent years has made that a priority. I think cleaning up our immigration disaster, getting people back to work and improving their standard of living will coalesce unity in our society more than anything else. We do have our problems but right now we at least have a president trying to improve it rather than sell us down the river into socialism and vulnerability to other nation states that would like to tighten the noose of control around our throats.
 
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