Islamic Extremist Violence - Increasing Occurences in USA.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by watchman220, Jan 22, 2010.

  1. watchman220

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    I have to say this is what we are up against...a continuing mentality of Islamic extremism. Those who are extreme in this faith have a mean streak that goes lethal...and they openly attribute their acts as allegiance to Al-Quaida.

    I think we will see a rise in these types of terrorism.

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  2. allen_idaho

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    Well, of course it is increasing. It technically will never stop until the United States no longer exists.

    The fundamental law of the Islamic faith is that you do what your religious leaders tell you to do. When they are told that their God says the United States is the enemy, do you think they are going to stop and argue about it?
     

  3. Turtle

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    My mom sent me a joke the other day . . .

    A cowboy, a native American, and a Muslim are all waiting for a plane, sitting in an airport. They get to talking, until the Muslim reveals his extremist Islamic views, and then there is a lull in the conversation. The Native American breaks the silence by saying, " My people once were many and now we are few." The Muslim says, "We once were few, and now we are many!" The cowboy tips back his hat and says, "That's because we ain't played 'Cowboys and Muslims' yet."
     
  4. Mengele

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    I'd just like to say I LOVE THAT JOKE!!! Lol! :2thumb:
     
  5. Ponce

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    If the US were to invade Mexico how do you think that the Mexicans here in the state would react?.........remember folks that we are the invaders and not the muslims.
     
  6. DocWard

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    Feel free to elaborate.
     
  7. Nina9mm

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    At the risk of sounding too "political," or too intolerant, and getting myself kicked off this site, I just have this to say. We might be the "invaders" and we probably should have just left them alone to take each other's heads off until there were none left on the damn planet, but they are the "invaders" now, coming onto our soil, killing our people, and merrily spreading their jihad wherever they can get a foothold. I don't care why they are mad at us and I really don't think it matters. Their religion instructs them to kill all the members of Club Infidel, to which I proudly belong. So eventually, whether or not our foreign policy impacted their lives or not, they would have come for us anyway. And while we say we are not at war with Islam, we damn well should be because the RELIGION is the root of the problem.
     
  8. TreeMUPKennel

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    :D:woohoo::D
     
  9. kyfarmer

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    Religion is not the cause of all the world's ill's. It's the interpretation of said beliefs by some idiot, that spout's it out to suit their hate of a certain people or idea they don't like. Blaming religion for all the crap is like saying it's the gun's fault someone got shot. :scratch
     
  10. kyboy40

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    Islamic Extremist Violence

    Kyfarmer is exactly right it's not the religion of Islam, but the ideaology and intolerance of others that is the problem. They have no concept of live and let live. Their whole religion revolves around control of everything from government, family, and religious life for their members.
     
  11. Nina9mm

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    Not to be provocative, kyboy40, but didn't you just state that Islam IS the problem by saying "They have no concept of live and let live. Their whole religion revolves around control of everything from government, family, and religious life for their members. "????? I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just think this deserves some thought. I used to go along with the whole "Islam is a religion of peace" propaganda that even GWBush touted. He was famous for saying that Islam was a moral religion that has been hijacked (pardon the irony) by a handful of extremists. It wasn't until I dug a little deeper, and looked at who Mohammed was, and what the Koran teaches, that I became skeptical of the PC garbage. Sorry, I know I tend to get a little too political, and I come off sounding intolerant and hateful. mea culpa
     
  12. kyboy40

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    Islamic Extremist Violence

    Nina9mm, you are exactly right. I guess I really do not see Islam as a religion, but more towards the lines of a cult of mindless people, who have been led down the wrong path. When you consider the lengths that they go to to kill innocent people, all in the name of Allah. These people have been brainwashed from birth to do as their leaders have told them to do, even to the point of sacrificing themselves to achieve the death of all nonmuslims.
     
  13. Ponce

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    Well Doc.........we did invade their countries, right?

    We invaded Iraq on false information ALL THE WAY fed to the US by the state of Israel and the same way that's happening with Iran.........

    We did have problems with some Arabs nations, true.....but we will always have some problems somewhere with someone......is the law of the US or what most people calls "The Ugly American".

    Lood at a world map and you can pinpoint the many countries where we are either at war.....covert war......making trouble......seven US military bases in Colombia, why?.

    I believe that now we also have permission by the Netherland to use three of their small Islands for military bases........same in Africa and in countries around Russia.

    And please don't try to blame the Arabs for 911 because that's a dead horse with no real evidence what so ever.

    Many countries are now waiting to payback the US for the many wrong doings dating back many years......the biggest one will be The Land Of The Rising Sun for what we did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki........they have long memories and patience.

    Even inside of the US there will be problems with the blacks and the Mexicans, is only a matter of time.

    If you want to talk some more about any of this it will be my pleasure...
     
  14. DocWard

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    Again, feel free to elaborate about "countries" in the plural.

    You'll have to forgive me, but a red flag goes up for me whenever I see someone begin to shift blame for something to Israel. While I am not an unquestioning supporter of Israel, I still begin to question motives.

    Now, I will assume when you say we invaded Iraq, I am going to assume you mean the second invasion, Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF). Now, I am going to again need clarification and elaboration about which false information to which you refer.
    The large number of UN resolutions that were ignored by Iraq weren't Israeli information, and certainly weren't false.
    The countless number of cease fire violations, all of which constituted acts of war that could have caused resumption of hostilities, weren't information passed along by Israelis, nor can you say they were false.
    The information about attempting to obtain yellow cake from Niger was British intelligence, not Israeli. Joe Wilson's trip also did more to confirm the existence of the attempt than to dispell it, according to numerous sources. The falsehood of intelligence which begins with the words "may have" is difficult to dispute though.
    The information about hundred's of thousands of deaths, disappearances, torture and rape were supplied by numerous international sources. They have been pretty much confirmed as well.
    The hidden parts for uranium enrichment centrifuges were found, post-invasion. Again we can take that as true, unless you believe a government which admits not finding WMDs would throw that into the mix for inexplicable reasons.

    I could go on, but my point is you might want to step back and reconsider your statements.

    We also have good relations with Arab nations. I have had the privilege of being a guest of Kuwaiti citizens during my deployment there, and found them to be great people.

    Right now we are actively engaged in conflict in Afghanistan. We are withdrawing our forces from Iraq as a result of a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) agreed to in 2008 (pre-Obama, mind you). We have a presence throughout the world, an I am not going to assert that our presence is never for covert reasons. I have too many friends who serve or served in SpecOps to be that naive.

    As for the seven military bases in Columbia that Obama is negotiating, I'm not excited by it, and would love to hear a better explanation than to assist in "counter-narcotics and counter-insurgency" operations. It seems that Obama is falling back on the old "They're SOBs, but they're our SOBs" train of thought.

    We have long had military cooperation agreements with the Netherlands. We have troops in the BeNeLux area, and have for decades. Other than the cost involved, having bases on foreign soil is, in itself, nothing new, and not necessarily nefarious.

    I find it a bit annoying when people try to anticipate and put words in my mouth. Especially if they are going to do it in such a vague way as to say "the Arabs." If, by that, you mean citizens of Saudi Arabia, then don't worry, I don't blame them. If by that you mean don't blame specific muslim persons of Arabic descent (in the larger sense of the word "Arabic"), then that is exactly who I blame. If, on the other hand, you intend to put forward some U.S. government involved conspiracy theory as a counter, stop right there and we can simply stop this dialogue right now.

    I don't really worry about Japan being our enemy. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were genuinely awful events, but not as awful as revisionist history makes them. Their shock was in the fact that they were blows delivered by one weapon. They were essentially industrial centers, although the civilian populace took the brunt of the destruction. They weren't so bad as the fire-bombing of Tokyo (or Dresden for that matter), and by numerous accounts, not as horrific. While it is debated, it is still the consensus that dropping those two bombs saved more lives than they took.

    How does a country with a modest military pay the U.S. back for defeating them? Economically? The Japanese are intelligent, industrious people. They realize that their economy and their prosperity is best served by a stable and growing U.S. economy. Surely you don't think they would reap destruction upon their own economy in order to "payback" the U.S. for events that took place 65 years ago?

    I have strong concerns about our immigration policy, as it pertains to Latin America, and tend to agree with you that if we don't do something, we are setting ourselves up for major problems. The unchecked criminal element that is being allowed into the country, the added pressure on fiscal resources, among other things, ALL create serious concern for me.

    However, I don't see as much a problem with African Americans. While I believe that the welfare state that has been created is self-perpetuating and creates more problems over time, I see it as not just a "black" problem or a "white" problem. In my civilian job, I have seen enough of both to conclud that it is a socio-economic problem that now defies easy answers. The only thing I know for sure is that the answer is not to keep throwing money at it in hopes it will go away.
     
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  15. Ponce

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    The only thing worth while to answer is..........US RESOLUTIONS, do you know how many UN resolutions there are againt the Zionist state of Israel??? to the best of my knowledge 87......again........87..........and yet no one has done anything about it :ignore: ..........anyway, I won't even asked why.

    Right now we are sending "advisors" to work with the Mexican army and also the army of the Congo (Africa).......and of course the army of Colombia and many more that are off the books.........about "countries plural" :dunno: Iraq and Afghanitan.

    About taking US troops out of Iraq........and replacing them with mercs... and where will the US troops be going to??? they sure as hell won't be coming back to the US.
     
  16. pdx210

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    I agree, but it's also not that simple. Part of the Al-Qaeda manifesto

    "To restore Islam, a vanguard movement of righteous Muslims was needed to establish "true Islamic states", implement Sharia, and rid the Muslim world of any non-Muslim influences, such as concepts like socialism or nationalism. Enemies of Islam included "treacherous Orientalists"[23] and "world Jewry", who plotted "conspiracies" and "wicked[ly]" opposed Islam. "


    Understand, a Muslim that lives in Europe or the USA that agrees with this ideology must jihad to create "true Islamic states" see, it's not only about removing the chains of foreign oppression its about adding their own...

    This is why i detest religions they manipulate people and turn them into mindless cattle
     
  17. Vertigo

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    Well said DocWard,

    Couldn't agree with you more.

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  18. Vertigo

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    Ponce, I am not trying to start a flame war here, but could you please elaborate on your statements in all the posts you make from here on now? It is very difficult for a lesser mind as myself to understand the point you are making, with all the "...", empty spaces and incomplete sentences, let alone the usual lack of any proof. Without proof, you better start of your posts with "In my opinion", "I think" or something of that nature.

    best regards,

    V.
     
  19. DocWard

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    So you are suggesting the U.S. controls the UN? That seems rather illogical considering the difficulty Bush had getting support for OIF.

    I won't ask for the basis of your bias against Israel, but it is clear you wear it on your sleeve in such a way as to make virtually impossible rational discourse. I have had too many conversations where phrases such as "Zionist state of Israel" come up. I have yet had one where the speaker wasn't revealed to have anti-semitic leanings. I suspect the case is no different now.

    Of course this, along with the above statement, is a fallacious argument. This one is called a "Red Herring," meant to divert attention away from the actual discussion. As such, it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    And this is no different from the past 50 plus years of U.S. foreign policy. You don't have to like it, but again, it is mostly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    Source? I have a rather personal interest in this, since I still face the potential of future deployments. Under the SOFA, All us personnel were to be out and the Iraqi forces were to take control, as Iraq is a sovereign nation. We attempted to maintain more of a presence, the Iraqis declined. I have seen nothing about "mercs," "contractors" or whaever you would like to call them remaining behind in any type of a military capacity.

    Again, I have to ask, source? Many already have returned, there are no plans to "surge" `100,000 troops more into Afghanistan that I know of. So, where will they be going, other than back to the U.S. or to U.S. bases they consider home? Will there be continuing rotations into Afghanistan? Yes. But the operations tempo is scheduled to scale back, the last I checked.
     
  20. DocWard

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    Thank you.

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