As a Nam Vet, I know what combat is. Your enemy has one thing in mind and we all know what that is. I live in a city with a majority of immigrants. A lot of the older citizens have either moved elsewhere or passed on. I live in what was once considered a nice neighborhood. Now it's full of bad gangs, druggies and prostitutes. I cannot leave my vehicles on the street any longer. They have been keyed several times and neghbors across the street have been vandalized. Get the picture folks? It's not going to be a pretty picture here when the SHTF. For the last year I have been looking at rural land in northern maine. I am still looking but have not found what I am really searching for in my price range. It would be nice to find like minded honest folks to share the costs with but I may end up going it alone. How much can you really trust someone in such a dealing? You would have to know them for at least a year or two and do we have that long? Your guess is as good as mine. Crisis may not happen in my lifetime (60 yrs old) but it will happen. So this is what I am contemplating. I am trying to put together a group of like minded folks who live in my area to form a survival group. Ideally I am looking for: doctors, electricians, a few guys like MacGyver the tv show, combat vets especially young vets with urban close quarters battle experience and people of other skills. You get the picture. We may all end up dead anyhow but I will not go down without a fight. I am new to this survivor group thing but not new to surviving. Unfortunately mine was in a jungle. Urban survival is something totally different and I need advice and help in forming such a group. In the event of a crisis or disaster the plan would be for the group activate immediately with all necessary supplies, duke it out with the gangs and morons and ultimately head north to sanctuary. I understand that eventually we may be discovered and all out war may take place. Hopefully other neighbors up there would join in and form a small community to defend our loved ones from the terrors of evil. It will be like the law of the jungle...."Eat or be Eaten." This is why I wish to get a piece of land, build a structure that has an underground supply cellar for food and supplies. I plan on having a well for water but that's it! We'll be living like they did 150 years ago and quite frankly... I won't mind it a bit. I love the outdoors and roughing it up. The heck with bills and taxes and cell phones. America did quite well without all the technology. I remember the first time I saw the movies; omega man and soylent green. They were really far out and never really gave it too much thought. Now they are not as far fetched as I once thought they were. Thanks for your patience in reading and invite any and all to give me pointers and suggestions as well as criticisms. Hopefully I have not upset or singled out anyone here. Gunny.