home made medicines

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  1. pdx210

    pdx210 Well-Known Member

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    I am looking for references on practice home manufacturing of basic key medicines in a SHTF you aren't going to the doctor for penicillin yet a basic antibiotic could be life and death and you can't store it for 20 years like freeze dried food. penicillin, aspirin, ect....

    anyone have experience with this any reference materials out there..?

    this is incomplete really but it show the kind of thing i'm looking for

    How to Grow Penicillin for a Science Project | eHow.com
     
  2. TechAdmin

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    I use herbal remedies for a lot of issues but I've never tried to make penicillin. Something seems unsettling about me making it and consuming it. Have you tried to make it yet?
     

  3. pdx210

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    No I haven't. i really haven't seen any books dealing with this topic perhaps it's totally impractical, complex to do I also share your concern.

    what if, in a SHTF scenario your wife, son, daughter had an infection and the natural remedies where not working and you where convinced they would die without antibiotics would you take the risk if you had the knowledge and could do it? i would.
     
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  4. *Andi

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    I also use herbal remedies but I keep penicillin on hand for the critters. In a SHTF scenario and it was a must ... well ... that is what I would use.
     
  5. pdx210

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    How To Make Penicillin not easy but not totally impossible :dunno:


    Equipment:

    Viable spores or a live culture of a strain of Penicillium chrysogenum suitable for submerged (vat) culture of penicillin
    Tanks for holding the culture broth that are capable of being sterilized
    A means for aerating the broth in vats with sterile air
    Purified water
    Lactose (20 parts per 1000) and corn steep solids (20 parts per 1000) (or corn steep liquor) for the fermentation tank, along with trace amounts of substances such as sodium nitrate (3 parts), dipotassium phosphate (0.05 parts), magnesium phosphate (0.125 parts), calcium carbonate (1.8 parts), and phenyl acetic acid (0.5 parts). All these items must be completely sterile.
    Filtering material, such as parachute silk
    A weak acid and a weak base
    Amyl acetate or ether (for removing the penicillin from the broth)
    Aluminum oxide powder or asbestos (to filter microorganisms and "pyrogens" - fever-causing impurities - from the penicillin)
    Freeze drying equipment such as a rotary freeze dryer (for removing the water from the penicillin to make a storable crystalline compound)
    Microscopes and slides (for testing the activity of the penicillin)
    Thoughtful people might add other items likely to be necessary to this list, such as electricity, laboratory glassware, and agar agar. For simplicity, I am leaving such background items of indirect necessity off the list - for now.

    Procedure:
    Sterilize the tanks and aeration equipment.
    Dissolve the sugar, corn steep liquor, and other substances in the water in the tanks.
    Introduce the mold to the culture medium.
    When the mold is reproducing, begin aeration with sterile air. Ideally, maintain the temperature at approximately 24 degrees Celsius. Using aseptic methods, test the broth regularly for penicillin concentration and antibacterial activity. (See note.)
    When the broth has reached a high level of penicillin concentration, filter the mold juice through a physical filter, such as parachute silk.
    Acidify the mold juice to a pH of 2-3 using the weak acid (such as citric acid).
    Thoroughly shake the mold juice with the solvent by hand or using an apparatus.
    Allow the mold juice and penicillin-containing solvent to sit until they reseparate.
    Drain off the dirty water.
    Filter the penicillin-containing solvent through the aluminum oxide powder (alumina salts). The top brownish-orange band contains little penicillin; the pale yellow band contains the majority of the penicillin and no pyrogens; the bottom brownish or reddish-violet purple band is full of impurities. (The solvent may be re-used.)
    Carefully separate only the yellow band in the aluminum oxide powder; wash it in a buffer to clear off the alumina. The fluid is a deep reddish-orange color that turns yellow when diluted; it has a faint smell and a bitter taste.
    Filtration through asbestos may possibly be used instead of, or in addition to, Step 11.
    Freeze dry the solution to obtain crystalline penicillin.
    Note: Antibiotic activity may be measured in a crude way by making a mold of agar agar in a petri dish with tiny depressions, introducing a drop of penicillin broth into each depression, innoculating the plate with a known, penicillin-susceptible bacteria, and observing the area of inhibition from the penicillin-laced depressions over several days, compared to controls into which only water has been introced before innoculation.
     
  6. TechAdmin

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    I would try it as a last effort, but I would still have my reservations.
     
  7. UncleJoe

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    That's why we keep a dozen packs of powdered terramycin in the med tote. The package has an exp. date of 2012. Like Dean said, I'd rather not, but if that's all there is....
     
  8. Rody

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    Aspirin was originally made from the bark of willow trees. When the old timers had a headache or fever they chewed on a willow stick.

    Both garlic and onions are suppose to contain a small trace of a natural antibiotic in their raw state. From what I hear you would have to eat twenty pounds a day of the stuff to have any effect. While I happen to love both there is no way a human could eat that much.
     
  9. UncleJoe

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    Honey also has antibiotic properties, both topical and internal. I have about 10# stored away. :)
     
  10. TechAdmin

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    All these things have antiseptic qualities. The proper use of them decides there effectiveness. I've always been told that honey works as an antiseptic if you rub it on the wound not eat it.
     
  11. bunkerbob

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    I believe I will keep my dogs around for wound healing like the ancient Egyptians. The belief that a dog's licking of wounds aided healing seems connected with Bau's position of goddess of physicians.:scratch
    Dog as Deity, Ancestor and Royal Animal
    What do you think Naekid?:ignore:
     
  12. NaeKid

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    I try not to think .. my co-workers hate it when the smoke-alarm goes off :scratch
     
  13. UncleJoe

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    I use it internally as an immune booster. I don't use cane sugar much anymore; except for baking. It's too expensive for making cookies and such.
    I gotta find someone with bees and start bartering. :hmmm:
     
  14. bunkerbob

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    Unclejoe, this is the first home that I have not had a beehive. Even when I rented years ago I had one in the backyard.

    I read a similar article last year in the Mother Earth News, this one covers the same hive design. It is easier to recover the honey than the traditional frame style hive and you don't have to hotknife the comb to retrieve the honey from these. Top Bar Bee Hive: Perfect for Backyard Beehives

    I have talked to bee keepers here and they are reluctant to sell colonies because of the bee shortage. I will eventually get one and will make one of these hive boxes this time.
     
  15. TechAdmin

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    I do to. If the news tells it right were running out of bees.
     
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  17. *Andi

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    My friend has a Top Bar bee hive and loves it. If I get back into bees that would be the way I would go ... but first I need to take care of a little bear problem. :surrender:
     
  18. bunkerbob

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    A bee suit or fully clothed would help.:D:D
    Sometimes I crack myself up.:ignore:
     
  19. AlterCow

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    Various Remedies I Use

    I make colloidal silver for many uses around the home. I make batches at 16ppm in mason jars and rotate the product.

    I am a believer in Himalayan Crystal Salt. I use it in cooking, in SOLE (so-lay) water for detoxifing and alkalizing the body. I have bought a few 55lbs bags of the stuff in different sized chunks and granuals. The salt is far better than any sea salt and has 84 minerals within it. You can easily supplement any mineral defficiency with it. It has also been known to help lower blood pressure.

    One can also make their own tinctures with use of a still. One can make the liquid base (vodka or the like) with the still as well as extracting essences from herbs and other plant matter.

    There are a variety of medicinal fermented beverages one can make, too. An excellent resource on ancient medicinal brews can be found in this publication: Amazon.com: Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers: The Secrets of Ancient Fermentation (9780937381663): Stephen Harrod Buhner: Books

    It is also a good idea to have a book on regional medicinal herbs and wild forrage foods to keep one's nutrition in check, for curiosity, daily use or merely for when SHTF.
     
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  20. mitchshrader

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    There's a particular honey, from Australia, that's thought to have exceptional medicinal properties. according to the flower it's made from. I've not used it but was encouraged to by an Aussie friend, which is why I promptly forgot the expensive name of it. ;)

    Stocking more than a modest selection of antibiotics means making a commitment to various compromises and substitutes. One may need to vacuum seal and freeze some things to extend shelf life, or use meds intended for animals on people, or use older generic meds in place of expensive brand name newer ones..but the more help you can get from your doctor, the better it is. With a proper relationship accumulating several 'last ditch' antibiotics is doable. PAYING for them, on the other hand, may take most of a young ransom. Extending the shelf life to the degree possible is a commendable goal, and easy on the budget. Caveat: Some antibiotics degrade into toxicity, meaning poisonous. If you don't know which ones, don't store antibiotics.
     
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