I just found this forum. Way cool. My family just sold our home. We are getting ready to build. I have been looking into being self sufficient. We have a few homes with solar panels around. Some bigger cities near us have just put in some windmills. I have just been trying to get some ideas of what would be best. We have also been interested in some nomad living type situations also. We bought a 5th wheel trailer some time ago thinking if something bad does happen we can live out of it where ever we end up. It hasn't worked the best because it doesn't go everywhere we want to go, doesn't hold the heat. Just isn't efficient for survival situations. I actually just ran upon a website for "Range Camps". Anyone ever heard of such a thing? They are newer versions of the sheep camps the old timers used for their hearders to live in all summer while their sheep stayed on the mountains feeding. The ones I found have solar panels, some water storage, propane lights and wood/coal burning stoves to cook and heat with. Let me know if anyone knows anything about them or how they would be to live in for extended amounts of time. Anyway, cool site. Looking forward to reading all about what is available for self sustainable living. I am afraid we will need to be ready for this in the near future. Times are definately headed in a bad direction.