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Detaining, holding or "rehabilitating" people is illegal in normal times, the job of an organized police force and not the task of a prepper in SHTF. For liability sake, there just isn't any way I would cuff someone waiting for the police to arrive. Pure lawsuit coming.

When you detain someone, someone has to babysit them. That just cuts your available manpower down. Plus you have to feed them.

Plus at some time when you release them, they'll be mad as a hornet and you are back to square one.

I hope to just avoid those situations.

I do however carry pepper spray and bear spray in my rig for non-lethal situations, dogs, etc.
 

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I can think of no reason to cuff someone.
I want as much distance between a bad guy and me as possible.
What would you do with them after they are cuffed?
In a SHTF situation a cuffed person would be a huge problem.
They really aren't that much fun in the bedroom either. ;)
 

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Cops sometimes carry big zip ties in their gear for when they run out of cuffs(maybe the are preppers too ):sssh:
 

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My thought on this and it depends on state laws but a person if committing a felony crime can be restrained until turned over to proper authorities. So if you're in a situation to make a citizens arrest for a felony crime they could be useful to carry to restrain until authorities arrive.
 

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Shoot, I'd just as soon find a good, stout piece of rope and hog-tie them! Then you have their feet restrained too.
 

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As an ex-law enforcement officer, carrying handcuffs is only going to draw attention to yourself, whereas the large zip ties would not be as obvious. We carried both, when we used up the available cuffs we started using the ties.
You need to be very careful legally when using them, you can open yourself up a can of worms with unlawful detention or even at the extreme, kidnapping
 

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You need to be very careful legally when using them, you can open yourself up a can of worms with unlawful detention or even at the extreme, kidnapping
Would it be considered kidnapping or unlawful-detention if the person being detained was trespassing on property or found inside an out-building (shed, garage, barn, etc) without permission from the owners?

I would rather tie someone up till proper authorities would be able to show up than to turn them into something that looks similar to swiss cheese ...
 

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There are other uses for handcuffs for post SHTF.

Especially with light ASP cuffs, you can carry them with out much weight. You can secure a chainlink fence gate and many other things with cuffs and that barrier will still allow the passage by LEO's and most EMS. (Some criminals carry handcuff keys, but most don't.) You can restrain a person during a scrap in the heat of the moment and buy some time to determine what you want to do with them, rather than deciding right then while still struggling. You can secure a weapon or other object to a location with handcuffs easily.

They're just another potential tool.
 

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There are other uses for handcuffs for post SHTF.

Especially with light ASP cuffs, you can carry them with out much weight. You can secure a chainlink fence gate and many other things with cuffs and that barrier will still allow the passage by LEO's and most EMS. (Some criminals carry handcuff keys, but most don't.) You can restrain a person during a scrap in the heat of the moment and buy some time to determine what you want to do with them, rather than deciding right then while still struggling. You can secure a weapon or other object to a location with handcuffs easily.

They're just another potential tool.
You bring up a good point on using them for locking things up but yet allowing the LEO's access or for general quick lock up of something. And I do believe it would be much easier to carry them instead of a padlock and a chain around.
 

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I've considered the zip tie (flex cuff) option (for use only after TEOTWAWKI). I would use them to confine trespassers that aren't immediate threats, but that might become one or try to steal necessary stores.

In a SHTF scenario, lots of people will be wandering about looking for food and shelter. Those that are not an obvious threat don't deserve summary execution just for wandering onto your property. However, it might be prudent to confine them temporarily in case they are scouting for a larger, more dangerous group. If they turn out to be, it's one less imminent threat, and you can interrogate him/her before/during/after an incursion.

Flex cuffs are nearly impossible to break free from, unlike ropes/wires that can wiggle loose.
 

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Flex cuffs are nearly impossible to break free from, unlike ropes/wires that can wiggle loose.
Hate to burst your bubble but flex cuffs are very easy to get out of and the tool required to do it is nearly undetectable when woven into clothing. Unless you are going to strip naked your capturees you may want to reconsider using flex cuffs and not closely watching your prisoners.

I've considered the zip tie (flex cuff) option (for use only after TEOTWAWKI). I would use them to confine trespassers that aren't immediate threats, but that might become one or try to steal necessary stores.

In a SHTF scenario, lots of people will be wandering about looking for food and shelter. Those that are not an obvious threat don't deserve summary execution just for wandering onto your property. However, it might be prudent to confine them temporarily in case they are scouting for a larger, more dangerous group. If they turn out to be, it's one less imminent threat, and you can interrogate him/her before/during/after an incursion.
While we are speaking hypothetically about detaining people consider this. Many people who you detained would consider your detainment to be an attack against their person and freedom and would stop at nothing to kill you and your team just for the detainment. You would do much better just showing them the area is spoken for and making sure they move on. Not to mention the fact that traders would become a regular and welcome part of life after the world went to you know what. And your visits from the honest ones would dry up very quickly if you treated them as poorly as you are describing...
 

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Hate to burst your bubble but flex cuffs are very easy to get out of and the tool required to do it is nearly undetectable when woven into clothing. Unless you are going to strip naked your capturees you may want to reconsider using flex cuffs and not closely watching your prisoners.
I'll have to make sure to get a hold of one of those nearly undetectable flex cuff cutters for TEOTWAWKI. Not sure what your point is. Mine was I'd rather detain an intruder than put a bullet in him/her outright.

While we are speaking hypothetically about detaining people consider this. Many people who you detained would consider your detainment to be an attack against their person and freedom and would stop at nothing to kill you and your team just for the detainment. You would do much better just showing them the area is spoken for and making sure they move on. Not to mention the fact that traders would become a regular and welcome part of life after the world went to you know what. And your visits from the honest ones would dry up very quickly if you treated them as poorly as you are describing...
The cuffs would be for people who insisted they needed to come onto the property (perhaps with a story that they are being pursued or desperately needed something), not for passers by offering goods for trade. And I wouldn't mistreat them, just render them harmless until I figure out what their true intentions are. I should hope they would actually appreciate the fact that I would not have to keep an unsafetied firearm pointed at them while I questioned them. I would not be using them any more often than I had to since they would need to be rendered useless to be removed.
 

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You don't have to cut zip ties to remove them. you can insert a thin narrow strip of some hard flexible material (plastic, metal, etc), to insert in the slot to disengage the teeth or something to pry the clip up to disengage it and it can be slipped off.
I'm on the fence about carrying cuffs, I like the idea of escorting questionable pests for whatever reason and there's plenty of other possible uses but there are plenty of downsides to using them also, if the person decides to hold a grudge for being detained what happens then? I might keep some on hand just in case but I'm not sure when I'd find it appropriate to use them.
 

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I guess I'm used to seeing the large once and done zip ties. Thankfully, I have no personal experience with real flex cuffs. It'd be near the bottom of my Home Depot shopping list for TSHTF anyway.
 

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I've two different sorts of flex cuffs we use. They both have a tiny inner piece of metal that prevents any slipping and they're definitely one use as flex cuffs. I'd carry them as well. There's uses for them as there are with cable ties.

With cable ties you can replace ALICE clips as we did as they're lighter, don't come open unlike ALICE clips and they don't corrode. They're also cheaper than replacement ALICE clips and you can carry a lot fo spares. Quieter, I don't know, as ALICE clips don't make any noise, but they can cinch down gear better.

You can also use them on MOLLE gear as well.

Flex Cuffs are basically better made and generally more expensive cable ties.
 

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I can't imagine carrying handcuffs. People will think that you are looking for trouble. (mall ninja) Texas law allows you to shoot anybody that invades your home or your car. Texas law also prohibits civil suits if the shooting was criminally justified.
 
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