Five myths about Sarah Palin

Discussion in 'Politics' started by HozayBuck, Nov 2, 2010.

  1. HozayBuck

    HozayBuck Well-Known Member

    3,183
    16
    I found this very interesting... Palin seems to be a wild card in American Politics.. like Ron Paul, she seems to understand the Constitution and believes in it.. unlike so many of our elected Officials..

    It still amazes me how many people still believe she said she could see Russia from her house... when in fact it was that dippy broad on SNL.. Tina Fey...

    The plain truth is, Sarah Palin scares the crap out of the Dimo's as well as the Rinos.. and anybody who scares those *******es is a friend of mine..

    Would I vote for her for President? ..over another McCain ? damn right I would.. I voted for their ticket...figuring IF they won which I doubted Palin would be a snap for pres down the road...

    I want somebody who has the balls ( yea shes a girl hahaha) to stand up and say out loud that most of the bastards in DC are violating their oath of office when they vote against the Will of the Constitution..!!




    Five myths about Sarah Palin


    Think you know Sarah Palin? The former Alaska governor has been in the spotlight ever since John McCain named her as his running mate on Aug. 29, 2008. Yet, while practically everybody has an opinion about Palin, not all of those opinions are grounded in reality. Many of them are based more on a "Saturday Night Live" caricature than on the living, breathing, 46-year-old mother of five. The real Sarah Palin is a complex woman who has risen in no time from obscurity to the stratosphere of American politics, fusing celebrity and populism in novel ways. Now that she's laying the foundation for a possible presidential run in 2012, it's worth taking a moment to separate the facts about Palin from the fables.
    This Story



    1. Palin cost McCain the 2008 election.

    She didn't. CNN's 2008 national exit poll, for example, asked voters whether Palin was a factor when they stepped into the voting booth. Those who said yes broke for McCain 56 percent to 43 percent.

    Before Palin's selection, remember, McCain suffered from an enthusiasm gap. Republicans were reluctant to vote for the senator from Arizona because of his reputation as a maverick who'd countered his party on taxes, immigration, drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and "cap and trade" climate legislation. But Palin's conservative record in Alaska and antiabortion advocacy changed the Republican mood. With her by his side, McCain's fundraising and support from conservatives improved. It wasn't enough to beat Barack Obama -- but McCain probably would have lost the presidency by a greater margin if he had, say, selected independent Sen. Joe Lieberman as his running mate, further alienating the GOP base.

    Yes, it's possible that Palin's conservatism and uneven performance on the campaign trail shifted some voters to Obama's column. But even if Obama picked up some anti-Palin votes, he surely didn't need them: The economy was in recession, Wall Street was in meltdown, and the incumbent Republican president was incredibly unpopular. In the end, it's impossible to know how McCain would have performed if he hadn't selected Palin -- politics does not allow for control experiments.

    2. Resigning as governor was rash.

    No one expected Palin's resignation on July 3, 2009, just 2 1/2 years into her term. Her hastily composed and clumsily delivered farewell address left many observers confused about her motives. Some of her critics were only too eager to fill in the gaps with conjecture and hearsay (She's being investigated by the FBI! Sarah and Todd must be headed for divorce!). If there was one thing everybody knew for sure, it was that Palin's career in politics was over.

    But none of the rumored scandals ever broke. The Palins remain married. And as for Sarah Palin's career, it's taken off. She plays a far greater role in American public life than she did before she left office.

    When Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, she confronted three problems. The political coalition on which she had based her governorship -- a combination of Democrats and renegade "Palinista" Republicans -- had collapsed. Her critics were using Alaska's tough ethics laws to launch investigations into her behavior, sapping her finances and her energy. Finally, every time she traveled to the Lower 48, Alaskans criticized her for putting her political interests above the state's.

    Palin's solution was to resign. Her agenda stood a better chance of passing if then-Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell, who shared Palin's goals, succeeded her as governor. As a private citizen, meanwhile, Palin could make enough money to pay her legal bills. And she would no longer be accused of neglecting her official duties.

    Some might say that Palin's resignation was shortsighted and showed that she was not ready for the demands of executive office. But if Palin had remained governor, she would have been denied opportunities to rally the tea party and fight in the battle over the Obama agenda. She would have been stuck on a regional stage. Instead, she's back on the national one.

    3. Palin and the tea party are destroying the GOP.

    You've heard the spiel: The Republican Party is in the midst of a civil war between moderate incumbents and far-right challengers backed by Palin and the tea party. Driving Charlie Crist from the GOP and defeating establishment figures such as Robert Bennett, Lisa Murkowski and Mike Castle spells electoral doom for the party. The only chance Republicans have for long-term success is to move to the center in a bid to win over millennials and Latinos.

    But demographics aren't destiny, and no one knows what the future holds. The reality, right now, is that Palin and the tea party are saving the GOP by dragging it back to its roots and mobilizing conservative voters.

    Remember, by the time Palin arrived on the national scene, the Republican Party was depleted, exhausted and held in disrepute. An unpopular war in Iraq, an economy in recession and GOP corruption had driven away independents. Meanwhile, massive government spending and a liberal immigration policy had dispirited conservatives.

    This is where Palin came in. In the wake of Obama's historic victory, she and countless other grass-roots activists could have abandoned the GOP and turned the tea party into a conservative third party. They didn't. They decided instead to refashion the Republican Party from the ground up, pressuring it to live up to its limited-government ideals. Now, two years after Obama's win, Republicans are poised to reap major gains in the midterm elections. Palin and the tea party haven't hurt the GOP one bit.

    4. Palin is extreme.

    On many of the most important issues of the day, Palin holds positions that are squarely in the center-right of American political discourse. And many of those positions, not incidentally, are held by a large segment or even a majority of the public. For instance, neither the public nor Palin believes the stimulus worked. And while most Americans may not share Palin's views regarding "death panels," many join her in opposing Obama's health-care overhaul.

    Over the past two years, Pew and Gallup surveys have tracked the public as it has moved to the right -- not on just one or two issues but on a whole constellation of them. Even on the controversial topics of abortion, guns and same-sex marriage, Palin is not as far away from the center as some suppose. A May 2009 Gallup poll, for example, found that a majority of Americans identified as "pro-life" rather than "pro-choice." In October 2009, Gallup measured record-low support for gun control. The public is divided on same-sex marriage, with about half the country joining Palin's (and Obama's) opposition.

    5. Palin is unelectable.

    Without question, a Palin 2012 campaign would be an uphill battle. Palin is unpopular -- massively so among Democrats, decisively so among independents. Even many Republicans don't believe she's ready to be president.

    But opinions can change. Look at the political resuscitations of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Hillary Rodham Clinton. If Palin works hard and runs an impressive campaign, wavering Republicans and skeptical independents may give her a second look.

    To earn that second look, she may need to find a big idea. It's hard to become president without one. Reagan had supply-side economics and the end of detente with the Soviets. Bill Clinton had the third way. George W. Bush had compassionate conservatism and the freedom agenda. Obama had national unity and hope and change.

    At the moment, however, Palin still expresses her agenda mainly in negative terms, focusing on her opposition to Obama and the Washington establishment. She hasn't defined her "common-sense conservatism" in positive language. And she hasn't found a unifying, exhilarating theme.

    Then again, she just might get along without one. After all, a presidential contest is a choice. The public might not love Palin. But by 2012, Americans might absolutely despise Obama. Two more years of a bad economy and an unpopular Afghan war, and anything is possible. Yes, there's a ceiling to Palin's support. But in 2012, there also will be a ceiling to Obama's.

    Whose will be higher?

    Matthew Continetti is opinion editor of the Weekly Standard and the author of "The Persecution of Sarah Palin: How the Elite Media Tried to Bring Down a Rising Star." He will be online Monday, Oct. 18, at 1 p.m. ET to chat. Submit your questions or comments before or during the discussion.

    For more Outlook coverage on Sarah Palin and the tea party movement, see David Weigel's "Five myths about the tea party" and Steven Hayward's "Would Reagan vote for Sarah Palin?"

    Want to challenge
     
  2. mosquitomountainman

    mosquitomountainman I invented the internet. :rofl:

    3,698
    70
    Good read Hozay:

    The left is scared to death of her. That ought to bring a smile to our faces!
     

  3. Aemilia

    Aemilia Zookeeper

    145
    0
    Thanks for posting this. I really voted for Palin in '08, if McCain had picked another liberal... I dunno, I really might have stayed home. Or shown up just to vote against Obama. The Republicans deserved 06 and 08. I hope they grow a spine. Or balls, haha.
     
  4. SurviveNthrive

    SurviveNthrive a dude

    654
    0
    the Left and the Rinos are scared of her.
     
  5. PragmaticWorm

    PragmaticWorm Member

    13
    0
    Dunno, I still see four truths at best and maybe one myth. Nice job distributing the new kool-aid though.
     
  6. The_Blob

    The_Blob performing monkey

    4,230
    4
    excellent retort... a vague unsupported statement, then an insult :rolleyes: c'mon, pragmaticworm, you're better than that

    if you don't agree, that's fine, Hell, I don't agree with some points in the article, but I will explain why I don't agree with them.

    ...

    I'm personally not interested in a specific point-for-counterpoint on Sarah Palin, but as a general statement some of the 'myth' has 'teeth', and perception NOT reality is what matters at the polls, unfortunately. IMHO 2012 is much too soon for her to try running for National Office, she is a MUCH better fund-raiser & stumper. The T.E.A. Party IS damaging the GOP as it is currently aligned & IMHO that is a good thing... I think MANY politicians have been shaken out of their lethargy & hopefully they will do things for the good of the people, regardless of party... that's always the hope & it usually gets dashed, but 'hope springs eternal'... I had the same reservations about her lack experience that I had about Barack Obama, I did not (& still don't) think that either one of them is ready to sit in the 'Big Chair'. Her stance on abortion sends a terrible message to youth; I despise the fact that many use abortion as another form of Birth Control, that isn't right either, but there is a reason for pre-natal screening & you are not financially (or intellectually) solvent enough to have it done, you really DON'T have any business having kids... unless of course you wish to break the REST of your Social Compact, you know the littl things, indoor plumbing, electricity, automobiles etc etc... you want to do that fine.... but don't whine to ME about materialistic pricks while you sponge off of & cherry pick the things you want and then refuse to take responsibility for the things that are 'part of the package' you don't like

    :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

    meh, this rambling rant could go on for way too long

    crap, I actually kind of like Sarah Palin, she seems nice... and relatively competent (yes, that IS a compliment, coming from me); as long as she doesn't play into the caricature that many (on both sides) are pigeon-holing her in, she could be great... some day. that day won't be in 2012 or IMHO 2016, she has time AND opportunity to 'Get It Right' (pun? ;) ) hopefully she will
     
  7. PragmaticWorm

    PragmaticWorm Member

    13
    0


    1. Palin cost McCain the 2008 election.

    This is the myth that I find to be a real myth. I don't think Palin cost McCain anything. I think she helped him get as close to President as he was ever going to get. She made him seem like a real conservative.

    2. Resigning as governor was rash.

    This was the dumbest thing she could have ever done. She will always be held accountable for leaving a post she was elected to by the people. I don't care what her reasons were, this alone makes her unreliable and entirely unelectable for any office I have a vote on. If she left this office what other office will she leave when times get tough. This is the argument the left will make against her over and over.

    3. Palin and the tea party are destroying the GOP.

    Palin does an excellent job of rallying the right and the Tea Party, but they are dividing the right between Republicans and conservatives. Republicans aren't seen as conservative enough these days and it's a direct result of the Tea Party. The right is being divided into factions and it's been shown in some of the mid-term elections. They are not as unified as they want people to believe and the cracks in the armor will begin to be painfully obvious once the "red wave" begins to recede.

    4. Palin is extreme.

    She is extreme. Extreme right, that's part of her appeal. That's why she is the darling of the Tea Party, they are a right wing movement, further right than Republicans. That's part of their appeal. Moderates run the country elect politicians and right now they are leaning to the right. Once those moderates swing back center or left the "blue wave" will crash on America's shores. It's all cyclical.

    5. Palin is unelectable.

    She is difficult to elect and possibly unelectable because she is an extreme right candidate and a darling of the Tea Party. She may not be unelectable in state offices or even congressional, but as a Presidential candidate she would only push the moderates to the Left and ensure Obama's re-election. She polarizes the populace. She's divisive. That's how she's made a name for herself, but in a national election it will work against her. Moderates are fickle and don't like extremes, otherwise they wouldn't be called moderates. They'd be called Right/Left.


    You're right, my first statement was vague and mostly pointless. I apologize and hope this, at least, clarifies my point somewhat. The previous points being made I would like to offer a few more because, well, I'm on a roll. :)

    I'm not conservative nor am I liberal and I am not even moderate. I'm American. I vote based on what I believe is best for my myself, my country, and my fellow citizens. In that order. Right now I think the conservatives have some very interesting and positive ideas on what to do with our country financially. I have a hard time with some of their social and moral ideas but that's not what this last election was about. I wish I could vote simply R or D, but I cannot. Life is not that black and white to me. I don't like when people make life that black and white, I think they are doing a disservice to us and themselves when they dumb it down to that level. I think that is what Palin does too often and, unfortunately, all too well. her passion seems to reside in making the opposition look bad, in running them down and pointing out the things they do wrong. She is not the stoic and eloquent politician that I grew up reading about in history books. She is more like some reality TV contestant vying for camera time by doing and saying the most outrageous things she can. She is too much a product of the 24 hour news media. She comes across as a female version of George W. Bush, kinda clumsy and oafish but gets the point across in the broad strokes.

    Not to say that I don't think she speaks the truth or has valid points sometimes. She does. Maybe I'm a victim of the media as well and all I see or hear is the crap she does or says. I dunno. If she had some sort of public speaking make-over and a filter or buffer placed on her thought process or maybe even a better proof reader she could be a much better politician. She has potential if she could learn to harness it and apply it to the mainstream and the moderates. She's one ballsy political move away from me reconsidering everything I just wrote. :wave:
     
  8. Emerald

    Emerald Well-Known Member

    1,897
    1
    I for one will never, ever, ever, ever vote for that ding-bat! Her stepping down from her office as elected Governor of Alaska is and will ever be unforgivable--the only reason to quit a job like that would be a life ending ailment that would give her time with her family at the end--Not to just be an attention [email protected]#$%.
    Anyways she keeps harping on the commercials for her new show about rather being out in the Alaskan wilderness than in a stuffy office and quite frankly--that is where I prefer to find her too!
     
  9. HozayBuck

    HozayBuck Well-Known Member

    3,183
    16
    All good points.. mostly from the MSM... or SNL... I agree she may not be ready for the big house.. but who is? really? I sure as hell don't want another batch of Kennedy's , programed from birth to become POTUS.. I still like and voted for Nixon, people say "HE LIED"... chit he was a politician.. of course he lied... but he got us out of Nam... by doing what Johnson should have done ..

    I really liked Ross P. I voted for him because I think only a business man could get the country back on it's feet I also thought Lee Iaccoca (sp?) would have done a good job..

    For me it's about getting back to the Constitution, and Bill of rights... will that be hard on some folks ? sure will... but it's either that pain or the sure death by socialism .

    Most people don't understand that the MSM has been electing our leaders, thru how they manipulate the coverage they get during the campaign, I watched the debates and watched for instance as the cameras would pan the GOP field they spent almost no time on Ron Paul , in one case they jumped past him, in another when they did show him it was a long shot where he might as well not have been there...

    McCain was the weakest candidate the GOP could have yet he won the Primary over better people... the Media gave him tons of free press... they did the same thing with Bob Dole , very nice guy, not a chance in hell of winning... they beat Ross P to death!! hell the networks wouldn't sell him air time for gods sake.. I voted for him and as a result put Clinton into office... MY BAD!

    When asking if Palin is ready for the job the media uses all the soap opera chit they can, yet Clinton and Carter were total unknowns but the media helped them get in.. As "only" a Governor ,was Bush ready?

    Right now at this moment the Media are scared to death of Palin as are the Dimo's, if they weren't they would be boosting her figuring her as an easy lose..

    So my question is simply, who does the GOP have right now that can win? who can beat Obama? the GOP is so PC they won't scratch their butts for fear of offending the media and the left..

    As for the so called "Tea Party" who are they? they are us....they are "We the People".. some may disagree with parts of their platform but who's platform do you agree with fully?... Do you agree with Obama's? The biggest problem for the new conservatives going to Washington isn't the Dimo's, it's the RINO's who will try to make them ineffective ,the next thing is the RINO's who ran as "Tea Party types "... and there are a lot of them... I believe the real honest Conservatives will be seated in the back of the bus...never to be seen again.. please God the people will wake up.. !!

    I think Palin is the only one right now who can beat Obama... I don't trust Romney, Paul don't have a chance, Huckabee is a great guy but too nice.. and that's the only real field...

    Palin has 2 busy years to grow up and grow on the people.. she will get more free media in the next year good and bad then any other canidate..and it won't cost her a dime.. she can raise more money by walking down the street then most any of the field..

    Is she the best ? hell I don't know, but who is the best? where is she /he ?... remember the old saying about how you don't have to out run the bear, only outrun the slowest person running.. right now Palin only has to not FK up... learn the facts and hammer at them..be honest, say the truth.. good or bad..

    We have about one year for a real winner to step forward.. I think it's time we the people picked the president not the liberal media.. that is those of us who don't want to continue the present slide into Socialism..

    So Palin or not... find somebody to support and get to it.. time is running out and this nation can not take 4 more of Obama... 2 more is almost too scary to think about..

    I liked Ron Paul so much that I donated to his campaign , 3 times!! and I've never donated a dime to any politician in my life..

    Sorry to jack the thread... hell it is my thread!!... anyway..
     
  10. The_Blob

    The_Blob performing monkey

    4,230
    4
    I'm just wondering if the lame duck session of congress will do anything drastic, not that they have to, the next two years is going to be a buunch of knock-down drag-outs to distract the public from what is really going on & subsequently NOTHING will get accomplished
     
  11. mosquitomountainman

    mosquitomountainman I invented the internet. :rofl:

    3,698
    70
    Nothing would be big improvement over what Owebama did the last two years.
     
  12. The_Blob

    The_Blob performing monkey

    4,230
    4
    I don't really know about that... to me it smacks of the 'saved or created' pap we've been fed for 2 years now

    we'll see what we'll see