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I love how the libs and the MSM keep proving themselves to be fools.

Trump is going to destroy the economy! Stock market through the roof.
Trump is Racist! 99.99% drop in race bating the second he is sworn in.
Trump will kill job growth! Lowest unemployment is Dec 2000.
Trump will ruin independent journalism! Fake news being outed every day.
Trump will attack the LGBTQ community! Crickets... Crickets... Crickets...
Trump will bring about Nuclear war! Strongest foreign relations in decades.
Trump sends out mean tweets! :rolleyes:

I could go on and on and on. But it does not matter because liberals have never concerned themselves with truth, facts or reality. No matter how incredible of POTUS he is and continues to be they will just find something new to be scared of or pretend to be offended by.
I'm torn if I should even reply to this, but I would like to hope a civil conversation can be had. After all, I do believe we are on the same side. I just don't like to be labeled a "liberal" or "you sound like the MSM" when I present issues that I (or others here) have with the current POTUS. God knows, I had lots of issues with the previous POTUS and I wasn't silent then either. Questioning authority (no matter who is in charge) is what we should ALL be doing. I won't blindly accept everything Trump does just b/c he carries the Republican label. Yeah, I'm not impressed with that b/c it doesn't seem to mean a heck of a lot anymore. However, even if he accomplishes nothing, I think we are FAR better off than if the Dems took office b/c they would have accomplished something....but nothing good for sure. I was thrilled with his SC appointment so that is a big win in my book. Hopefully he gets another chance to put one on the board. As far as your post above, I do question some of it.

Trump and the economy - I would be careful of chalking that up to a win just yet. He hasn't even completed his first year, and although so far, so good.....we all know that those numbers could turn in a heartbeat. The house of cards known as our economy has to come tumbling down sometime.

Trump and unemployment. I've heard that some of those numbers can likely be attributed to the hurricanes. But even if that's not the case, I didn't put much confidence in those numbers even when the other POTUS was in office. They are manipulated numbers that mean zero to me b/c as far as I'm concerned it doesn't measure ACTUAL unemployment. I know what the market is like in my area and when people were crying that they couldn't find a job, there were "help wanted" signs everywhere here. The problem was that nobody wanted to work and still don't. Most business owners around here say they're biggest problem is finding motivated employees. But I digress.....I think if you cut the easy gov't handout money, the REAL unemployment rate would be close to 0, and tax revenue would see a significant bump. If he gets his tax plan through.....I think that job growth will certainly see a spike then. I'm rooting for him!

Trump and the fake news. I think he is likely just as guilty as the MSM in bending the truth. I don't know that he actually "outs" or dis-proves fake news as much as just saying it's fake news. Many times he doesn't provide any more "proof" of his claims than they do of theirs. I don't look at either of them through rose colored glasses and take everything with a grain of salt. I don't watch MSM (well, sometimes just to laugh). Otherwise I get my information from various online sources and trust local news outlets much more than national news. But, as said, I believe nothing as being 100% truthful and also consider the source.

Trump and war. Yeah, I don't know about the strongest foreign relations in decades. Maybe, possibly, with some allies but I highly doubt that applies to other nations. I guess that all depends on WHO you ask. Even if he has better relations with some of our allies and maybe even some of our enemies....he has still PO'd some others. I'm still not sure how all of that is going to shake out, but I know I don't have all the information I need to make an informed decision about it. There's just so much there that we are not being told. I do know that I am nervous about the possibility of a war that could quickly escalate out of control. I'm certainly not getting that feeling by watching the MSM since from the little bit I do watch it seems they are more interested in Matt Lauer than Little Fat Man. I know there's a lot of work to do to try and gain the political power back that Obama squandered away. I'm hoping he can make progress there and I certainly hope he can keep us safe. That said, I am quite well aware that national safety comes at a price and am concerned about the potential for war. Again, I wouldn't put that in his win column to prematurely.....it ain't over yet!

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm definitely not liberal, I'm definitely not anti american and I'm definitely not uttering MSM garbage. I'm simply not going to give POTUS a pass on everything just b/c I voted for him. I just can't imagine not being able to find any fault with him. He's not perfect and I certainly knew that early on. Why is holding him to a high standard and questioning how he does things considered liberal? That just doesn't make much sense to me.
 

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President Trump has not failed anything, misguided and ignorant Democrats and bought & paid for Republicans have failed this country. Everything else you asserted sounded like it came straight from the fictional rantings of the MSM, lots of baseless and unproven rhetoric presented as fact. The Independents of today are people who turn off the news, require facts instead of journalistic sensationalism, are focused on America and would rather be correct than politically correct.
Trump has failed at a lot. All Presidents do. I linked in the OP, a video feed by a supporter of Trump's talking of his failings. They have a name for that, it's called cognitive dissonance, many Trump supporters live in this bubble.

But I digress....
Show me the wall is built? Donald Jr didn't meet with the Russians? Didn't Mueller charge 3 of his staff/campaigners? Show it, prove it or don't talk about baseless rhetoric. Link some proof that they didn't try to deny or push under the rug their failures on 2 different military raids? You won't because it's based in fact, so please save me the bellicosity.

Your numbers are off. The claim is that Trump received 46% (not 36%) of the vote to Hillary's 48%, but much of the military vote was not counted (which was overwhelming pro-Trump) and many of Hillary's votes were fabricated, illegal or cast by illegals or dead people. But regardless the insightful and necessary electoral college selected a new President, and thank God they selected the one who was not going to sell out our nation to the highest bidder while stripping of us our rights in the name of tolerance and social justice.
Yes, Trump himself has asserted the illegal votes and had proof, he is about as reliable as your posts in proving that. You can bluster all you want, but show me 5 million were illegals or dead or stop saying it. Not ONE down ballot election was affected by these supposed votes. NONE. It doesn't matter if he lost by 1 vote. He still didn't win the popular vote, period.

Trump received 62 Million votes, which is 46% of those that voted but there is 200 million registered voters in the US. Thus making that 62 Million votes cast 31% of the voters who picked Trump. I was wrong, he has less than 36% of the voting population.

You are right though, one step at a time, acting like the President would be a start....
 

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I'm torn if I should even reply to this, but I would like to hope a civil conversation can be had. After all, I do believe we are on the same side. I just don't like to be labeled a "liberal" or "you sound like the MSM" when I present issues that I (or others here) have with the current POTUS. God knows, I had lots of issues with the previous POTUS and I wasn't silent then either.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm definitely not liberal, I'm definitely not anti american and I'm definitely not uttering MSM garbage. I'm simply not going to give POTUS a pass on everything just b/c I voted for him. I just can't imagine not being able to find any fault with him. He's not perfect and I certainly knew that early on. Why is holding him to a high standard and questioning how he does things considered liberal? That just doesn't make much sense to me.
This is a great post. Thanks for bringing a bit of free thought. The idea that if you don't fold in half and lavish praise and love on this President you are a MSM loving, socialist liberal is hogwash.
It makes almost no sense to me either.
 
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Trump has failed at a lot. All Presidents do. I linked in the OP, a video feed by a supporter of Trump's talking of his failings. They have a name for that, it's called cognitive dissonance, many Trump supporters live in this bubble.

But I digress....
Show me the wall is built? Donald Jr didn't meet with the Russians? Didn't Mueller charge 3 of his staff/campaigners? Show it, prove it or don't talk about baseless rhetoric. Link some proof that they didn't try to deny or push under the rug their failures on 2 different military raids? You won't because it's based in fact, so please save me the bellicosity.
One time Trump went to the same restaurant as Kevin Spacey so he must be a pedophile too! Plus I heard he once used gas from the Middle East so his ties to terrorism are pretty clear! :rolleyes: Anyone can take an innocuous event, wrap it up in hyperbole and conjecture, draw some nonexistent lines and then pretend it was some kind of evidence. But come on, if you are going to post something to besmirch the President you are going to have to do better than 'Joyce Behar said on the View' type fiction... Info that comes straight from our left wing propaganda pushers is about as pointless as an air conditioner in Antarctica.

Once again you can hold him to whatever standard you want. You can expect him to bow, to pretend he is among the royal elite and demand pomp and pretentiousness over substance. I am only concerned with the substance. Because after 8-24 years of globalism, big government, taxation for pointless programs, reduced freedom and high minded people running this country backwards we finally have someone moving the USA in the right direction. And no matter how you skew the voting record or complain that the POTUS is a big meany, you cannot reasonably claim it is not. I don't have time to list everything now; but from deregulation, nearly wiping out of ISIS, record setting markets, improved economy, improved foreign relations, improved military salaries, improved veteran care, reduces taxes, improved tax code, less financial waste, smaller government and that wall in the initial stages of being built. President Trump is clearly driving us toward the America his supporters want. And the America his detractors need but don't realize. But oh no, mean tweets and Sarah Sanders is not nice to reporters! :eek:
 

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I don't have time to list everything now; but from deregulation, nearly wiping out of ISIS, record setting markets, improved economy, improved foreign relations, improved military salaries, improved veteran care, reduces taxes, improved tax code, less financial waste, smaller government and that wall in the initial stages of being built. President Trump is clearly driving us toward the America his supporters want. And the America his detractors need but don't realize. But oh no, mean tweets and Sarah Sanders is not nice to reporters! :eek:
I don't think this was addressed to me but I'll weigh in anyways. Just b/c someone may find fault with the POTUS doesn't mean that person is a Trump detractor. It just means that they are being objective. Personally, I try to look at cons and pros of every subject. What do I like about the president vs. what I don't like. I'll list both (usually in my mind) and then make a decision from there. Clearly there's more that I like about POTUS than what I don't like, but that doesn't mean there's not room for improvement for this POTUS or that he doesn't have faults. I have already seen some improvement since he took office, but there's still more he should work on IMHO.

As far as all the things you list. I know those are things he wants to have happen, but I don't think that all of them have been accomplished yet. Many of them are a work in progress and many of them need congressional support. I'm rooting for him! Weather he succeeds or not....we shall see.

I don't think professionalism is too much to wish for. It's not a one or the other thing....meaning he can still move his agenda forward while being professional. I think he would even make things easier on himself if he dialed it back a bit or kept silent on many issues that he doesn't need to comment on. Whether any of us like it or not, he is a political figure and politics IS at play, which means he has to consider how his comments will sway voters for future elections. I hate that that is the case.....but it is. I just don't want him to alienate voters who were on the fence the last time or who switched sides to give him a chance. It would be nice if he could just do his job (the substance you referred to) and not worry about the future political climate but that's just not reality. Unfortunately he can't just ignore those voters until right before the election b/c then it will be too late. It will certainly help if he can put more wins in his column, but like I said many of the things you mentioned could turn on him at any time. After all, the market is over due for a correction.
 

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Once again, I am not concerned with the color of the emperors cloths only how he rules the kingdom. Not since Reagan have we had a POTUS who cared about the people of America, who saw himself as an employee instead of as a ruler of subjects.

My stock portfolio is way up, American confidence is way up, support for law enforcement is way up, the military is way better off, national security has improved, our enemies are nervous, our allies once again feel supported, excessive government regulation and government overreach has begun to be put in check, social justice and feel good causes have stopped being matters of national concern, persons of faith are no longer being vilified, we are no longer pretending that the biggest threat to America is make believe climate issues, the immigration nightmare is being repaired, the corrupt and evil people in Hollywood & the MSM are being outed and removed, the swamp is being drained, patriotism is once again in vogue and the future is finally looking bright. One can easily pretend this is all coincidence, but funny how we never had an coincidences the 8 years prior to President Trump.

People can complain all day that this homemade apple pie is too delicious, too large and too sweet but I am just going to sit her and savor every single bite. I finally have a president that actually gives a crap about America. No amount of nitpicking or subterfuge is going to change that.

 

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Once again, I am not concerned with the color of the emperors cloths only how he rules the kingdom. <snip>

People can complain all day that this homemade apple pie is too delicious, too large and too sweet but I am just going to sit her and savor every single bite. I finally have a president that actually gives a crap about America. No amount of nitpicking or subterfuge is going to change that.
Hard to have a discussion in a civil manner with a person who denies numbers and looks the other way with fact when the only thing that is cared about is how he "feels".

The below picture and that the signature quote you used to run pretty much set up the fan base of Justin Bieber....Opps, I mean Trump. Because they are just a fanatical and clueless...

 
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Ha Ha Ha! So now you're trying to make it about me? That's when you know the progressive has failed to prove a point and emotion has overcome reason. It is also why they keep complaining about President Trump's "mean" tweets, dirty looks and his other pointless criticisms. All fluff and no substance. Which is of course why Donald Trump won the presidency of the United States. And why he will get reelected in 3 more years.

 

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It was never about you. A Fox News talking head, states what many of us believe. The President would do far better as a President if he just simply acted as a leader should. Instead of taking the video clip under advisement and queues from what others have said you decided to turn your angst and lack of understanding towards me and drop the name calling and blame towards me.

Sentry you don't have to think like me, I just want you to think...
 

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It's the usual personal attacks on Trump. Nothing substantive. Just hate.

The left in the media lost its moral authority to criticize anyone when they ignored Hillary and all her treasonous and criminal activity. The left hates Trump on a deep personal level. They hate his wife. They hate his family. They would gloat if their family dog was tortured and killed. That's the kind of rotten people that they are.
 

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It was never about you. A Fox News talking head, states what many of us believe. The President would do far better as a President if he just simply acted as a leader should. Instead of taking the video clip under advisement and queues from what others have said you decided to turn your angst and lack of understanding towards me and drop the name calling and blame towards me.

Sentry you don't have to think like me, I just want you to think...
But you don't think critically. The media says to hate Trump so you hate Trump. I could watch the liberal media today and know what you'll think tomorrow. You probably think that Trump is worse than Hillary yet Hillary committed treason and her criminal foundation stole billions of dollars from some of the poorest people on earth. Yet I'm sure you voted for her. You don't care that she sold classified information from her illegal server or let every one of our enemies hack that server and steal classified information. I'm sure people died because of that. It's pretty easy to see information come out of a country and then pinpoint where that information must have come from. We must have a third of the country totally brainwashed. Worse than North Korea or Soviet Russia. At least there the people knew they were being lied to. At least a third of America believes everything they see on CNN and reads in the mainstream media.
 

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We must have a third of the country totally brainwashed. Worse than North Korea or Soviet Russia. At least there the people knew they were being lied to. At least a third of America believes everything they see on CNN and reads in the mainstream media.
And this is a taste of the Scientific dictatorship form of totalitarianism we can look forward to when the left wins.
People will embrace their cages because they will be conditioned to love them and anyone who talks about the Rights enshrined in the constitution will just be a quaint and crazy old coot to them.
 
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