I've seen these folks on youtube and they seem pretty cool. To bad it didn't work out. When I'm working permaculture at our BOL I just watch some videos and give it a shot. I don't want big groups there, just close friends and family, it's a difficult access so that's who comes up. We all share ideas and thots and come and go as we please. We all have lives and jobs. We're just normal preppers, whatever that means. No cults, of course I suppose that's what all cults say. I heard them say Northern Idaho, perhaps American Redoubt?