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I could'nt pull it up but google shows info at LATimes,Politico web sites.I heard it on radio last night.

This so called anti-soialist theiving republican is par for the course in this continent once called a nation.Everyone of them lie and steal from us.Not a one is patriotic in the least.
This is just onbe more reason why I won't vote again until the people take back their nation.So i guess tha means I'll never vote again!
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These people who have taken away the choice and rights of Americans will get my vote when hell freeezes over.I done with lessor of 525 evils.
 

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Wait a second, whos money did she give to the farm subsidies? Was it tax money?

Ah, found this
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glenn...hmann_got_250k_in_federal_farm_subsidies.html

Still, I am not all against folks taking government money in all situations... the fact is that the government should stop taking our money in the first place to give to others. I dont blame her as much as I blame our government for taking it in the first place. For instance, some company that pays more taxes than it receives total in subsidies... I dont have a problem with this (generally). The problem is that this is how votes are purchased and how goverment keeps its power over us. We need to stop them from taking our money in the first place!
 

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Wait a second, whos money did she give to the farm subsidies? Was it tax money?

Ah, found this
Anti-socialist Bachmann got $250K in federal farm subsidies - On Congress - POLITICO.com

Still, I am not all against folks taking government money in all situations... the fact is that the government should stop taking our money in the first place to give to others. I dont blame her as much as I blame our government for taking it in the first place. For instance, some company that pays more taxes than it receives total in subsidies... I dont have a problem with this (generally). The problem is that this is how votes are purchased and how goverment keeps its power over us. We need to stop them from taking our money in the first place!
It's not only the fact that she gave the money to farmers,it's the fact how she pretends to be for conservative values and against socialist type give-a-ways.

Her and forked tonque Palin ,muslim supporting Paul will do more damage to the other socilalist,because they lie and decieve us into thinking they are who we hope they are.

Thanks for link,Ant.
 

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The link I posted appears to indicate that it was HER farm that took the money. She profitted from the handout. Still -- if the government wants to give me enough money to make my preppin' dreams come true im not turning it down (unless strings are attached). Regulation and taxation are the problem -- handouts are just the inevitable result... this is how governments buy power. Stop the taxation and regulation and the handout will dry up by necessity! If you just stop the handouts that doesnt fix the whole problem.

Dont get me wrong though... I am not for handouts... I just dont think its the whole problem and it muddies the water too much.
 

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The link I posted appears to indicate that it was HER farm that took the money. She profitted from the handout. Still -- if the government wants to give me enough money to make my preppin' dreams come true im not turning it down (unless strings are attached). Regulation and taxation are the problem -- handouts are just the inevitable result... this is how governments buy power. Stop the taxation and regulation and the handout will dry up by necessity! If you just stop the handouts that doesnt fix the whole problem.

Dont get me wrong though... I am not for handouts... I just dont think its the whole problem and it muddies the water too much.
I just rant anymore,don't see much hope for the future of this assisted living land.We are fast running out of skill and resources.Importing enemies ,poverty and crime at record numbers while deporting jobs.
 

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I could'nt pull it up but google shows info at LATimes,Politico web sites.I heard it on radio last night.

This so called anti-soialist theiving republican is par for the course in this continent once called a nation.Everyone of them lie and steal from us.Not a one is patriotic in the least.
This is just onbe more reason why I won't vote again until the people take back their nation.So i guess tha means I'll never vote again!
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These people who have taken away the choice and rights of Americans will get my vote when hell freeezes over.I done with lessor of 525 evils.
I'm with you Meerkat--I WILL NOT BE VOTING..why pretend you have a voice when we all know the electronic machines are rigged---have been for the last 3 elections.
 

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I must say when a person brings up "forked tonque Palin" ... I have to ask WHY ...

I want to understand the TRUE HATE for this women ... on either side of the bench ...

So now some put Bachmann in the same boat as Palin ... I did wonder how long it would take. (and I must say I did see it coming ... :dunno:)

To toss away your vote is, well up to you... But I will not forget the fight, as a female to get that vote. You can if you wish ... but not me ... I'll go down voting and fighting the system all the way.

But to each their own ... :(
 

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*Andi The thing is when you are forced to choose between two fork tongs and have to decide who is less forked tonged. Whats the point? Yes you can vote for some one else. But is that not just tossing it away too?

Personally, I think Mickey Mouse would do a better job. And have said so many times.

Every one do as you will, but renumber, the consequences of your actions may not be what you want them to be.
 

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*Andi The thing is when you are forced to choose between two fork tongs and have to decide who is less forked tonged. Whats the point? Yes you can vote for some one else. But is that not just tossing it away too?

Personally, I think Mickey Mouse would do a better job. And have said so many times.

Every one do as you will, but renumber, the consequences of your actions may not be what you want them to be.
I agree that Micky could do a better job! :D
 

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*Andi The thing is when you are forced to choose between two fork tongs and have to decide who is less forked tonged. Whats the point?
The point is the two crooked parties are, yes, crooked; but generally they tend to be on opposite sides of the fence on issues such as gun control, abortion, constructionist vs. living Constitution, etc, etc.

In other words, if for example, you support the 2nd Amendment, withholding your vote from a pro-2nd Amendment candidate (by not voting) is, in affect, supporting gun control.
 

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The point is the two crooked parties are, yes, crooked; but generally they tend to be on opposite sides of the fence on issues such as gun control, abortion, constructionist vs. living Constitution, etc, etc.

In other words, if for example, you support the 2nd Amendment, withholding your vote from a pro-2nd Amendment candidate (by not voting) is, in affect, supporting gun control.
Sorry, withholding your vote is definately not supporting anything except personal freedom.
 

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Sorry, withholding your vote is definately not supporting anything except personal freedom.
Soooo, how does allowing, say, a hardcore anti-gun candidate to attain office because you didn't vote against him amount to "personal freedom"?
 

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Palin and now Bachmann

I must say when a person brings up "forked tonque Palin" ... I have to ask WHY ...

I want to understand the TRUE HATE for this women ... on either side of the bench ...

So now some put Bachmann in the same boat as Palin ... I did wonder how long it would take. (and I must say I did see it coming ... :dunno:)

To toss away your vote is, well up to you... But I will not forget the fight, as a female to get that vote. You can if you wish ... but not me ... I'll go down voting and fighting the system all the way.

But to each their own ... :(
I am not sure that I would call my feelings for Palin as hate. I am sure many others could say that about their feelings. But I can tell you that the night at the Republican convention when John McCain announced her as his running mate, I had never heard of her. (I live a busy life and don't really understand nor care for politics. I don't think that my vote really votes for what I want and believe. I do believe elections are rigged, moreso now since we have electronic voting machines. When exit polls, for the first time in history a few elections ago, didn't match the results, we know we have voter fraud in America.)

When Palin spoke that night, what I remember is "bash this person, bash that person, bash, bash, he's terrible, this is terrible. And I am wonderful!"

Do you know what a narcissist is? A narcissist is someone who spends their time pointing out what is wrong with others and thinks they are wonderful. The Republican party, in my observation, requires you to be a narcissist. I am not interested in hearing your negative opinion of everyone else on the planet. I want to hear what positive things you can do, will do and HOW you will do it. Palin speaks with a "know it all" attitude. There seems to be no humility there, only narcissism.

And in the last 2 days, Bachmann has already disgusted me. I saw her on the morning news this morning and could not mute the tv fast enough. Shut your negative mouth up. Instead of being critical, what would you do and how would you do it? That is what I want to listen to.

All that said, I believe that the two party system is a game. I believe that all politicians are not to be trusted. As soon as they are elected, and even before, they belong to someone else. And if they don't begin serving that bigger power, they will not be elected, or will be removed one way or another after they are elected.
 

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Soooo, how does allowing, say, a hardcore anti-gun candidate to attain office because you didn't vote against him amount to "personal freedom"?
Freedom of choice. A person has the right to choose not to vote for a crook. Even if that crook agrees with them on one question. Voting for a crook just because they might agree with you on one thing is what is wrong with this country. People will pick one thing, vote for the person who agrees,and vote for any crook that agrees with them. Then they complain about the crook they elected.

Chose to vote for an honest person who has the best interest of the country in mind. Don't vote for a crook. Don't sell this great country down the drain just because you have some misguided idea that you are forced to vote for a crook.
 

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Soooo, how does allowing, say, a hardcore anti-gun candidate to attain office because you didn't vote against him amount to "personal freedom"?
I have to agree with you horseman. What is with this idea that somehow it is noble to NOT vote... that because you think since there isnt a perfect candidate that you are more noble for not voting for either one? Horseman, you are correct in this matter.

Consider this:
I live in AZ. In the presidential election when it came down between Obama and McCain I know McCain would make a better president. I have been royally pissed by some of the things that McCain has said/done but I KNOW he would do better than Obama -- no question, no debate. That being said I thought that a third party candidate (Libertarian) would PROBABLY do better than either though I also KNEW he wouldnt have a ice cubes chance in hell to win. All that being said I live in AZ and ALSO KNEW that McCain would win the electoral votes of this state regardless of who I voted for -- so who did I vote for? Bob Barr. Did I throw away my vote? No! It was a protest vote and it did its job even though it did not affect the outcome of the election. I voted to show my disdain for the direction the GOP has been going. May not have any effect -- likely wont -- but if enough of us that were pissed would even just go vote for the third party it would send a BIG message to the other two parties! Not voting SAYS NOTHING but that you are already beaten.
 

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I am not sure that I would call my feelings for Palin as hate. I am sure many others could say that about their feelings. But I can tell you that the night at the Republican convention when John McCain announced her as his running mate, I had never heard of her. (I live a busy life and don't really understand nor care for politics. I don't think that my vote really votes for what I want and believe. I do believe elections are rigged, moreso now since we have electronic voting machines. When exit polls, for the first time in history a few elections ago, didn't match the results, we know we have voter fraud in America.)

When Palin spoke that night, what I remember is "bash this person, bash that person, bash, bash, he's terrible, this is terrible. And I am wonderful!"

Do you know what a narcissist is? A narcissist is someone who spends their time pointing out what is wrong with others and thinks they are wonderful. The Republican party, in my observation, requires you to be a narcissist. I am not interested in hearing your negative opinion of everyone else on the planet. I want to hear what positive things you can do, will do and HOW you will do it. Palin speaks with a "know it all" attitude. There seems to be no humility there, only narcissism.

And in the last 2 days, Bachmann has already disgusted me. I saw her on the morning news this morning and could not mute the tv fast enough. Shut your negative mouth up. Instead of being critical, what would you do and how would you do it? That is what I want to listen to.

All that said, I believe that the two party system is a game. I believe that all politicians are not to be trusted. As soon as they are elected, and even before, they belong to someone else. And if they don't begin serving that bigger power, they will not be elected, or will be removed one way or another after they are elected.
There are a few republicans that are kept in the spotlight by the opposition to give the normal thinking person reason to look at another party. Same is true of the democrats. If either side can show a person who has little grasp on reality, knowledge, honesty, or integrity on the other side then they benefit.
Most politicians try to cast doubt on the opposition and their accompolishments and beliefs instead of showing off theirs.

Notice how there is never a politician that can answer a simple yes or no question.
 

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I have to agree with you horseman. What is with this idea that somehow it is noble to NOT vote... that because you think since there isnt a perfect candidate that you are more noble for not voting for either one? Horseman, you are correct in this matter.

Consider this:
I live in AZ. In the presidential election when it came down between Obama and McCain I know McCain would make a better president. I have been royally pissed by some of the things that McCain has said/done but I KNOW he would do better than Obama -- no question, no debate. That being said I thought that a third party candidate (Libertarian) would PROBABLY do better than either though I also KNEW he wouldnt have a ice cubes chance in hell to win. All that being said I live in AZ and ALSO KNEW that McCain would win the electoral votes of this state regardless of who I voted for -- so who did I vote for? Bob Barr. Did I throw away my vote? No! It was a protest vote and it did its job even though it did not affect the outcome of the election. I voted to show my disdain for the direction the GOP has been going. May not have any effect -- likely wont -- but if enough of us that were pissed would even just go vote for the third party it would send a BIG message to the other two parties! Not voting SAYS NOTHING but that you are already beaten.
Why is it that your protest vote is so much different and better than another persons non vote for the same reason? Both accompolish the same thing.
You choose to throw your vote away and another person choose to not throw away a vote by not casting one.

Do you think it makes you more noble to throw away somethiong people died to give you the right to do?
 

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Now consider:
If things had been different and McCain wasnt going to win AZ except for my vote and say 100 others who think like I do. I would have voted for McCain and it is possible for one state to push someone over the top. Lets just say it made McCain president -- he would have been one hell of a lot better than our current furor -- no question, no debate.

BUT -- what if I had not voted because I KNEW that McCain, though better than Obama, was still not a perfect man -- or even an all out crook. Well, I just did myself a huge ass favor... now things are WORSE because I was so blinded by my own false sense of self-righteousness that I didnt back the better of the two.

As said above -- do what you want with your vote -- but if you dont vote you dont have the ground to stand on and complain about it -- no question, no debate.
 

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Why is it that your protest vote is so much different and better than another persons non vote for the same reason? Both accompolish the same thing.
You choose to throw your vote away and another person choose to not throw away a vote by not casting one.

Do you think it makes you more noble to throw away somethiong people died to give you the right to do?
My vote that you say is thrown away is counted, yours is not. That is the only difference. I am counted among a number of folks who said that they are not happy with the status quo and I did it without giving Obama any more of a chance to win.

How is your non-vote a vote at all? How does it tell anyone anything but that you are counted among the folks that didnt even bother to waste their precious time? :dunno:
 
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