Ammunition for barter?

Discussion in 'Hunting & Fishing' started by mdprepper, Oct 4, 2010.

  1. mdprepper

    mdprepper I sold my soul to The_Blob. He had candy...

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    I have been trying not to "thread-jack' some of the topics, so I figured I would start a new one just for this.

    I can not see using ammunition as a barter item.

    Now, I realize that everyone will be trading/bartering mostly with people that they know. But, I have to ask how well do you really know a person?

    I am very laid back, easy going. You can get away with a lot with me. Unless/until it comes to my kids. Then I become fierce. There is NOTHING I would not do to protect, feed, provide for them. I think most of us here feel the same way. I can just assume that the majority of people feel that way about their own kids.

    I guess my concern is that if I feel like that and the majority of the people feel that way, do I want to give them ammunition? I can see that I would be providing a way for them to feed their families by giving them the ability to hunt. But I would also be giving them a way to come and take what they want from me.

    Maybe I am just being paranoid.
     
  2. Emerald

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    I would not even let them know I had extra ammo! I all I could think was that if I traded ammo with them then that "ammo" might end up being used against me to take everything else I might have.:eek:
     

  3. SurviveNthrive

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    One of my cardinal rules for barter in a bad situation is never trade off something that can harm you, a second rule is never trade off something you'll need.

    If it's so bad that they're bartering away something else you need for ammo, then you probably need what you've got.
     
  4. HozayBuck

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    It all depends

    I wouldn't trade several hundred rounds to somebody I didn't know.. but I can see where a time might come that you could walk into a trading post and by a beer for say 2 308'a or 15 22 lr...I can't see a stranger walking up and wanting to trade for more then a few rounds.. any more then that I wouldn't do..

    Any bartering I did would be at an organized barter fair.. getting there and home safely might be an issue but while there I'd think it would not be an issue..but yes I can see ammo being the currency of the day for a while... as well as tools and seeds...

    I'd never let anybody in to my " fort" that didn't belong there or that I hadn't known a long while...

    Common sense will be your guide... if it feels wrong, don't do it...
     
  5. SurviveNthrive

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    Among the Mau Mau's, they developed a currency system based on ammunition.
     
  6. horseman09

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    I can see lots of situations where ammo would be a form of currency. Lots of preppers stockpile thousands of rounds of 22 ammo.

    Would I trade 100 rounds of 22 ammo for, say, a spool of MIG welding wire that might well be useless to the owner? Probably. I can use wood gas to run my tri-fuel generator to run the MIG (thanks to my bartered spool of wire) to make wood gasifiers to trade for potatoes, or a half of beef or a regular supply of milk to make cheese or......whatever I need.

    As for ammo being used against you, that's always a possibility, but security would be an issue whether you barter a few hundred rounds or not. I'd guess there'd be lots of armed predators out there -- all the more reason ammo would be valuable. Folks would want it for defense.
     
  7. SurvivalNut

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    I have ALWAYS been against ammo for barter.

    That said, in an established barter system where a post SHTF rule of law exists, swapping ammo to known persons may be okay.

    Was it in 'One Second After' that squirrels were bartered for a few rounds of 22LR? Would I buy a deer for some .30.06? You betcha. Would I trade a bandoleer of .223 for a generator or any amount of gas? Probably not.

    My 2 cents.
     
  8. PopPop

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    I think I would barter small amounts of amunition for other needs if those needs were severe. The consequence of any action, especially post shtf, must be considered. Also the idea that hunting for subsistance will be a means of survival is greatly overated. Just think about all of the times when you could have taken a deer out of season or on someone elses property, etc. Now multiply that times potentially millions of others also having those opportunities, the result is that game will disapear overnight, no pun intended. This all reminds me of a guy I once knew who thought he was ready for TEOTWAWKI. This guy was a research physisist with multiple degrees. He stated the he would survive the end, he had some seeds and a .22 rifle and a box of ammo. I asked him where and how he would plant those seeds, he owned no land. I asked him how he would plant, he owned no tools. With these shortfalls made apparent he then stated that he would just hunt until he could work out the other problems. I wish him luck!
     
  9. NaeKid

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    There is a small "mom-n-pop" shop that I know of that has ammo hidden on the back-shelves, you know, out of sight, out of mind. They are licenced to sell ammo, but, that shop will only sell ammo to people that they know and people that they trust. What that means is that if you are a visitor to the area (small town Alberta) and you walk into the shop asking for ammo, they will tell you that they don't sell ammo.

    If you insist that they sell ammo to you, they will escort you out the store - and none-to-friendly-like.

    What I am getting at is that even now, people have problems with trust - how much worse would it be if everything is goin' to hell in a handbasket?
     
  10. Clarice

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    I agree Mdprepper.
     
  11. lotsoflead

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    exactly my thoughts
     
  12. SurviveNthrive

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    Let's see...Rules of Barter:

    1. Don't acquire hordes of barter items when you have other pressing needs unless you anticipate a rush for those items or they are going to be banned.

    Right now it might be a good idea to buy a lot of cheap light bulbs as they're being banned and being phased out. There are other uses for light bulbs and they'd be good to have.

    2. Don't barter away items that can harm you.

    Don't trade off ammunition or guns.

    3. Don't trade off items you are sure to need.

    Sounds like common sense, but some folks who can't think in the long term.

    4. Don't barter away a need for a want.

    This is why some believe it's good to have some barter cigerettes and liquor. Addiction might cause folks to give up something valuable, because to them they're going to mistake a want for a need, and you'll get a disproportionate return.

    5. What might be useless to you might be necessary to them.

    Don't just give away something that you have that's useless to you. It might be essential for them.
     
  13. gypsysue

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    Other uses for light bulbs? Can you give me some ideas? The mythical light bulb over my head isn't lit up with any ideas on that one.
     
  14. SurviveNthrive

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    Light bulbs...the same reason they want to get rid of light bulbs, because of the wasted heat is precisely why the can also be useful beyond obvious needs.

    You can make 'ovens' for different purposes with light bulbs, the motivation can be for different reasons, ranging from being a hobbist who wants to heat up or dry some craft project, to making an aluminum foil lined 'shoe box' oven-you can cook meat with a 60 watt bulb.

    In a place with no other heat but electricity you can use several light bulbs for that. Combine some light bulbs with a metal cylinder and you can have it heat the metal container and it'll provide limited radiant heat and dry something like your socks.

    Light bulbs are better for home security applications than tube lighting.

    There will be people who prefer the light of incandescent bulbs to the 'sick' light of the energy saving one. Some claim the tubes hurt their eyes. Among them there will be a potential long term underground market. There will be interior decorators who eventually go retro and want the illumination of light bulbs as opposed to the LED's and tubes.



    But there are other uses for light bulbs for survivalists that go beyond the intended purpose because they can be used to create devices and I don't need to post about that...all you need is a soldering kit, some wire and...well, if you don't know, you don't need to know.
     
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  15. 101airborne

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    I also have and am still against batering items such as guns and ammo for the obvious reasons.
    I also am against bartering any type of alcohol because the person/ persons may get drunk and decide to come back and try to take more or whatever you have of other stuff.

    Goes the same for medicinals aspirin, antibiotics etc. Once they run out in the stores etc. people will get really nasty to get them IMO.

    About all I might consider bartering is bandages and such, limited food stuffs, BUT in all likelyhood I would mainly barter my skills. Not letting people know I have anything else to trade.
     
  16. horseman09

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    If I need a carb for my tractor and a neighbor has one -- and he'd swap it for a hundred rounds of 22 ammo........sold.

    If a friend is going to risk going to the drug store 40 miles away for medicine and my wife badly needs her script filled also, would I give him some ammo in return? Yup.

    Lots of similar circumstances where -- with caution -- trading ammo is appropriate. IMHO

    So, I think there are circumstances where such trades are mutually beneficial.

    Would I put a sign in my yards saying, "Have ammo -- will trade". Uhhh -nope.
     
  17. kyhoti

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    We have a few boxes of stuff, gotten for free or for near free, that will be desired post-fan, like 1,000 bars of hotel soap, about that many feminine hygeine products (wife doesn't need), paper and pencils (from the penny sales) etc. We have filled our own shelves, these are extra, but will be in short supply. But ammo? I don't have enough now and the fan is poop-free!
     
  18. kyfarmer

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    I,am against it but if it's a neighbor or some one already flanking ya. Might re think that one. In an area where most everyone in sight is family in some form, well there ya go. If they go down then i could have one side opened up. :scratch
     
  19. HozayBuck

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    I think yawl are talking about

    A stranger or two coming up to your gate and asking to trade for ammo... if that's what this whole thread is about then it's wasted breath, nobody I know is gonna trade anything like ammo with strangers.. and never guns!.. almost any and all trading will be among folks you know... so it's in my best interest to make sure they have enough to hold of the BG's until the troops can come to their aid...

    and I would really prefer the folks around me have the ability to defend the area from BG's...

    Any stranger who walked up and asked for ammo rather then food is a red flag waving in the wind when the wind ain't blowing...

    And if some neighbor was a chit head before the event he will be worse after.. so no I wouldn't trade with him... common sense folks..
     
  20. horseman09

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    Ya got my vote Hozay