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I just heard that manufacturers of ammunition are putting and agent in their powder that renders the round inert after a certain period of time. Can anyone verify this and are they doing it to regular reloading powder also? If this is true then it's an in your face, proof-positive sign that "they" are seriously moving against honest citizens. To me anyhow.


Found something along the same lines...

Limited-life cartridge primers- Patent 6881284 Issued on April 19, 2005. Estimated Expiration Date: Icon_subject October 19, 2021.

A cartridge primer which utilizes an explosive that can be designed to become inactive in a predetermined period of time: a limited-life primer. The explosive or combustible material of the primer is an inorganic reactive multilayer (RML). The reaction products of the RML are sub-micron grains of non-corrosive inorganic compounds that would have no harmful effects on firearms or cartridge cases. Unlike use of primers containing lead components, primers utilizing RML's would not present a hazard to the environment. The sensitivity of an RML is determined by the physical structure and the stored interfacial energy. The sensitivity lowers with time due to a decrease in interfacial energy resulting from interdiffusion of the elemental layers. Time-dependent interdiffusion is predictable, thereby enabling the functional lifetime of an RML primer to be predetermined by the initial thickness and materials selection of the reacting layers.
 

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Simple answer: Get you curio and relics license. Buy milsurp rifles and ammo of previous manufacture. I routinely shoot 8mm ammo from the 1950s.
 

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gun control is a distraction...

... TPTB have determined ammo control is more effective
 

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Just in case........use the new ammo for pleasure and the old one for business, some of my ammo are from WWII and they work just fine (for the M-1 carabine and 30-06)
 

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Just in case........use the new ammo for pleasure and the old one for business, some of my ammo are from WWII and they work just fine (for the M-1 carabine and 30-06)
I have a fine collection of old Mauser rifles. I routinely shoot ammo headstamped from the 1930s. Odd to think that ammo from some of those lots was probably fired at my dad and uncles!
 

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Product liability

Since there is no current law requiring ammo that becomes defective after any period of time, it would be financial sucicide for any manufacturer to produce this much less likely that they would do this on the down low.

A product liability law suit would break them. Let's say a shopkeeper is killed by an armed robber and he dies with his revolver in his hand with five defective rounds , each having a imprint left by the fireing pin on the cap.

Do you think his widow would have a law suit against the ammo manufacture?

They are not only not going to do this , my guess is they would close the doors before they complied with such a law.

What if it was required by law and the ammo malfunctioned before the "use by this date" expired?
 

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Since there is no current law requiring ammo that becomes defective after any period of time, it would be financial sucicide for any manufacturer to produce this much less likely that they would do this on the down low.

A product liability law suit would break them. Let's say a shopkeeper is killed by an armed robber and he dies with his revolver in his hand with five defective rounds , each having a imprint left by the fireing pin on the cap.

Do you think his widow would have a law suit against the ammo manufacture?

They are not only not going to do this , my guess is they would close the doors before they complied with such a law.

What if it was required by law and the ammo malfunctioned before the "use by this date" expired?
I had a chemist tell me a few years ago when this very thing came up that it is not possible to put some type of degrading solution, device, chemical or whatever in a primer or powder to make it inert after a certain length of time. True or not, I don't know but it sure sounds reasonable to me that it can't be done.

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If any one is really worried about the primer/powder thing happening, then all I can say is stock up now.

Personally that subject is the least of my concerns in prepping to try and ride out whatever may come our way.

Believe only what can be proven without a doubt and don't rely on rumor mills for your intel. The last thing that any of us needs to do is run around crying "the sky is falling". Those of us that think we know what is comming ( and are hoping and praying that it dosen't) have enough on our plates without borrowing more worries.:gaah:

I did not post this to argue with anyone or to insult anyone in any way, I am just stating how I feel.

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Currently the "expiring" ammo is rumor. I talked to a friend who worked for winchester for 35 years before retiring last year, He said they had a rumor floating around for a couple of years that the "goobermint" was looking into a way to control the amount of ammo a person had, along with ammo registration where you had to sign a book when you purchased ammo. The reasoning behind it supposidly (sp?) Is to get around the constitution. As it guarentees the right to keep and bear arms, however it DOES NOT cover any right to have the ammo for the weapons.
 

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Currently the "expiring" ammo is rumor. I talked to a friend who worked for winchester for 35 years before retiring last year, He said they had a rumor floating around for a couple of years that the "goobermint" was looking into a way to control the amount of ammo a person had, along with ammo registration where you had to sign a book when you purchased ammo. The reasoning behind it supposidly (sp?) Is to get around the constitution. As it guarentees the right to keep and bear arms, however it DOES NOT cover any right to have the ammo for the weapons.
I hope there is no tampering with my ammo -- thems fightin' words!

I would also like to point out that the constitution does in fact guarantee our right to both keep and bear arms -- it would do us no good to bear them if they werent loaded and shootable so I would say that the constitution does actually cover the right to have ammo for our weapons. Its just common sense -- the founding fathers didnt put in the second ammendment so we could collect firearms or walk around with them for show. :soapbox2:
 

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-- it would do us no good to bear them if they werent loaded and shootable so I would say that the constitution does actually cover the right to have ammo for our weapons. Its just common sense -- the founding fathers didnt put in the second ammendment so we could collect firearms or walk around with them for show. :soapbox2:
Ant I agree with you HOWEVER since when have the politicos been accused or credited with using common sense?:scratch However that is one of the current administrations ideas to circumvent the constitution. As the constitution says " the right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS" reading and re-reading it several times I could not find any reference tahtsays ammo as well is protected. However when the constitution was written there was no "ammo" just about everyone knew how to mine their own lead, cast their own bullets and quite a few could make their own powder.

Now before I start an arguement, I believe we have a right to own and store whatever we want to. But again I am not a liberal politican either.
 

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Ant I agree with you HOWEVER since when have the politicos been accused or credited with using common sense?:scratch However that is one of the current administrations ideas to circumvent the constitution. As the constitution says " the right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS" reading and re-reading it several times I could not find any reference tahtsays ammo as well is protected. However when the constitution was written there was no "ammo" just about everyone knew how to mine their own lead, cast their own bullets and quite a few could make their own powder.

Now before I start an arguement, I believe we have a right to own and store whatever we want to. But again I am not a liberal politican either.
Hehe, I hear ya. I dont mean to argue I am just defending the intent of the ammendment and suggesting that we all should defend it and not play the game that liberal politicians like to play (ie. "well err umm... there werent bazookas back then so... errr.. umm... the ammendment cant apply to those... err ... umm... of course not! .... ... .can it?").

Whenever interpreting the constitution remember that it was written to give limited powers to the federal government, not to spell out the rights of citizens. The Bill of Rights (the first 10 ammendments) were added because some states wanted to put some especially important rights of the individual down on paper because they feared a federal government that would say "well... err.. ummm... theres no law that says you can have a weapon or use it (bear it)... soo... err... umm... off to the gulag with you". All rights not specifically given to the federal government belong in the hands of the states and/or citizen.

The fact is we should all be argueing that the constitution does not give the gov't the right to modify our ammo in any way... much less our arms as those are specifically excluded by the constitution.
 

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Wasn't the 'operative' word ...stockpiling??

As in getting old??

If the crap continues to hit the fan, we may not have to worry about 'old' ammo.:gaah:
 

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Today I picked up a used Remington 700 in 7mm-08 with scope and 5 boxes of ammo for 250 bucks. I offered the man more as I knew it was to feed his family. The rifle had about 10 rounds fired through it.

I write this not to brag but to point out that bargains are available. Get them and sufficient ammo for your needs. Give the notion of how much you'll need some thought. For instance with the lot I just purchased, I bet I could handle elk, deer and black bear season for the next ten years easily.
 
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