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Letter Re: A Veteran Policeman's Observations on The Golden Horde

By James Wesley, Rawles on November 30, 2010 6:41 PM

James,
A lot has been written warning us of what will happen when the City Dwellers find their homes are untenable and vacate [en masse as The Golden Horde] for "the country", but I haven't seen anything on what the make-up of these hordes will be. The generic term "city dwellers" encompasses a lot of territory. Who will they be,what kind of shape will they be in, how will they be armed...all of these need to be examined.

One category needs to be examined, I feel, more closely than others. Since I have seen posts on your site lately dealing with the nitty-gritty, unpleasant aspects of prepping, I think this is a needed look into what's out there. I've been a cop over 20 years, my last uniform assignment before moving to Investigator being a two year stretch of Anti-Crime patrols in the Section 8 Housing projects of my city. This put me into contact with some of the "Worst of the Worst" that will be fleeing the cities in time of trouble. Gang-bangers, common street thugs, dope dealers and users, all have a place in the hierarchy of the streets. And they will certainly be part of what preppers will be facing in times of troubles. Here's some of what I have learned:

The bottom rung is occupied by the drug addicts and users. They exist, not live as we understand the word. They have no assets, no goals, no drive. But they do have an almost animal instinct to continue living. They will be armed with anything they can steal or lay hands on. Most will have a knife of razor box cutter, and some sort of cheap pistol, or they will not live to get out of the city. Since they have no resources or assets, they will be on the edge of starvation and desperation almost within a day of an event. With no fixed residence or place to defend, they will be hitting the road and coming towards us. They will become violent without any provocation and there will be no negotiating or bargaining with them. They don't want to hear your story or excuses. All they want is what you have. And have no doubts: They will do anything to get what they want. And this does include catering to their most base instincts of rape, murder and mutilation. Letting someone like this even close to you and what you have is flirting with death.

The next and most numerous will be the drones who make up the majority of the project dwellers. They live on Government Entitlement checks, have no assets and, on any given day will have no more than 3 or 4 days supply of food in their apartments,most of this being refrigerated. There will be a high percentage of females without male companions,will have a large number of children and will be absolutely vicious and violently inclined. Their day to day existence within the defined society they live in demands they be aggressive and violent.They fight more, and are arrested more,than the males they live around. The males will have more serious charges, but the females will have more of them. They too cannot be trusted. If they are drug users, they will, and have, traded their children for drugs, and, based on this proven behavior, will most certainly abandon them or trade them if the situation calls for it. Seeing that you are supplied, they will leave their children in your yard and walk away, counting on your liberal Good Samaritan instinct that has always bailed them out in the past to care for their offspring and justify that to themselves as "doing what they have to do". Knowing that they will do something as low as this,be assured they will do much worse. They habitually carry razor knives and small pistols such as .25 ACPs and .380 ACPs. They are very dangerous and unstable folks to be around. These females may or may not be accompanied by men. The males may be linked biologically to one or more of the children but will abandon them as easily as the females. These males come from the lower order of males (see next classification) and will be armed as described next.

The next order of classification will be unattached or drone males. These males tend to be convicted of felonies before they are 21 and who hang around the other, more productive males who deal drugs and have money. They will also be the so-called "foot soldiers" of the drug and street gangs. They exhibit sociopathic behavior and have no allegiance to anyone except maybe a family member, usually referred to as a "cousin" or a gang. They live off the female drones by paying cash rent, gained by low level drug dealing and petty crimes, to a female who has Section 8 housing, for a room that they sleep in and usually have no other attachment such as taking meals there.They live off fast food,carry guns of dubious origin and consume massive amounts of drugs and alcohol, mostly beer and cheap brandy and marijuana. They will not have any assets to defend, may accompany the female who rents them a room and will hang around the cities and projects only as long as their cohorts do. They will leave in junky vehicles,steal what they need along the way and kill,rob,rape and pillage their way across the countryside. Their weapons tend to be of the pistol variety although they may have access to shortened, easily concealable shotguns or rifles. Their lifestyle doesn't give them a secure place to hide or keep long guns,but they will steal and use them if given a chance. They will also have some type of blade weapon and be proficient with the use of them. They are very dangerous to anyone who comes into contact with them. The last and highest order will be the moneyed drug dealer.He will have a flashy vehicle such as an Escalade or Lexus variety. He will have quality firearms, preferring Glock handguns and SKS or AK type rifles and will have ammunition for them in quanity.He will be arrogant and a definite killer. He will have assets to defend and may not leave his comfort zone until forced by authorities or circumstances. He will have "foot soldiers" and a woman traveling with him, but probably not children. He will travel well and be charming when trying to gain confidence or talk himself out of a jam. He will also be vicious and hateful, full of spite at those he sees as having taken away his lifestyle and means of making a living. He most probably will not have a lot in the way of supplies such as food and medical equipment, tending to live in the moment and not for the future. He will be one of the opportunistic "I'll just take what I need" types. He will be very cunning, having risen to the top of the street hierarchy,and all the more dangerous because of this.

When dealing with all of the above types, caution is the word. Never let them get even a glimpse of what you have. Never let them get past your outer barrier, be that a fence, abatis or boundary line. Its best to keep verbal contact to the barest minimum. A terse: "We have nothing, go away or we will shoot" is a good example. I have seen them be charming and seemingly harmless while edging into a fence gate or otherwise getting closer until they are in range to strike. You must always remember the 20 foot rule (Never let anyone get closer than 20 feet from you at any time). It is important to remember also that the longer they have been roaming and stealing,the better armed they may be, having stolen others firearms and equipment. Seeing an obvious street thug carrying an expensive scoped rifle or an engraved shotgun should be a tip off as to what they are. These type people would never spend money on a gun that may be taken by the law at anytime in their day to day existence. They do worship Glocks and the glamour they see in them. A dealer told me once, when confessing to an assault "I just outs with my Glock .40 and let it holla" as if he had done something great.

I know that most people who read your blogs are aware enough to keep strangers away from their refuge.But if someone has never lived around these types of people,they may not be aware of just how dangerous they really are. As I mentioned,they can be charming,cunning and decietful.They have lived their entire lives off the goodwill of others and The Government and are past masters at pretending to be needy,harmless and "safe". Guile is engrained in them. I leave you with one short story. In the days after Hurricane Katrina, we were reinforced with officers from other agencies, many states away, who had volunteered to help. (I was not in New Orleans, but on the edge of the hurricane strike) I was partnered with a state SWAT officer from up North. This man was experienced and a "steady hand". As we walked through some of the power blacked-out , sweltering-in-the-heat projects, he turned to me and said: "This is worse than Mogadishu". He was scared and had good reason to be. And this was after only three days of no electricity and relief was just starting to arrive. Think about those same areas after a real failure of services and food deliveries. Good Luck. Beware the Stobor. - Ed S.
 

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That was an excellent article and brings up some very good points. Most of us focus on our preps, while others focus on protecting themselves and their families. We have to focus on it all. The easiest way to do this is to make a list of realistic possible scenarios and create a plan for each. Along the way you must discuss what could happen. We all want to feel that with our trusty gun we can scare away all comers, but when the gangs start venturing out, they will approach their own survival like a war. Kill, steal, and whatever else. They could take your daughter or wife as a slave to preform chores (of various types), they may be on a search and destroy mission with no reason for wanted and sensless distruction. Who knows what these people will do or be like, but chances are, they will win if you don't plan for them realistically.
 

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Good article. Yet another excellent reason to have a combat vet in your 'group', he may not want to shoot, yet he will not hesitate a second to shoot should the need arise.
 

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policemans observation

Just out of curiosity..if the economy tanked..which would presumably result in mass rioting, killling..Martial Law declared..etc..and law enforcement and military were called in to control the situation(s)..how many do you think would either not show up or leave soon after..I mean most all have families to worry about and such things..looking for a % here..from what I saw on the news several buses were hired by LEO to get them and their families out ..altho they were never used apparently
 

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I have sent the article out to severl friends and family members. It may be time to take a look at these possible situations; get this imbedded in our brains so when the time come, we will not be surprised and will be alert to strangers driving into our places. When the cities go down, get ready.
 

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What about the pets?

Along the same lines of "street urchins" moving out from the cities, it also merits mention that there will be countless abandoned pets that turn feral once they lost their "humans".
These feral animals will be much more dangerous than wild animals, since they already know that humans are a source of food.
They will pack together, and use our habit of treating them as pets against us, drawing us in with a false sense of them being tame, then striking once we've gotten within striking distance.
As a pet owner myself, I can't bear to lose my pup. Not all pet owners feel the same.
Imagine if you will, German Shepards, trained by the military or law enforcement, turned loose on the streets to fend for themselves.
Ferocity is an understatement.
And, they're stealthy too.
When TSHTF, and everything goes to pot, everyone for themselves, pets will be turned loose to fend for themselves.
Ponder it.
 

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Along the same lines of "street urchins" moving out from the cities, it also merits mention that there will be countless abandoned pets that turn feral once they lost their "humans".
These feral animals will be much more dangerous than wild animals, since they already know that humans are a source of food.
They will pack together, and use our habit of treating them as pets against us, drawing us in with a false sense of them being tame, then striking once we've gotten within striking distance.
As a pet owner myself, I can't bear to lose my pup. Not all pet owners feel the same.
Imagine if you will, German Shepards, trained by the military or law enforcement, turned loose on the streets to fend for themselves.
Ferocity is an understatement.
And, they're stealthy too.
When TSHTF, and everything goes to pot, everyone for themselves, pets will be turned loose to fend for themselves.
Ponder it.
After reading the post, it made me realize there's another threat after shtf that I never thought of before. I don't think all of the roaming animals will be abandoned by their owners. A lot of them will be left to wander and hunt for food when their owners are no longer able to feed them, but might still linger around the area where they live.

Although the threat of rabies, lyme disease, etc., has always been there, it's somewhat contained. Most domesticated animals don't roam around in the wild on a regular basis and there are treatments for zoonotic diseases available if needed. It would be a different story in a long term emergency situation. If people can't afford to feed their animals, they're certainly not going to be able to take them to the vet. So not only would there be no or very limited treatments, there would be a huge influx of animals roaming around because their owners didn't prepare in advance.
 

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I'm honestly not too worried about animals.
a) They don't shoot back.
b) If you get them soon enough, you may be able to make them part of your group and you now have another set of eyes-and-ears as a watch dog.
c) I have a crock-pot and some dutch ovens. I'd expect most animals to be taken as food by the hoards relatively quickly. Dogs, cats, cows, horses... are easier pickings compared to more traditional game animals who know to stay away from people.

Back on subject. Great article. I know it's discussing those that may be coming from urban areas, but it doesn't address the entire chain. From the cities, they'll hit suburbia. In suburbia, there will be the suburbanites that stay and hold their ground and others that bug-out to more rural areas. I wouldn't expect many inner-city dwellers to actually make it to the rural areas. They're way out of their environment and I'd expect most would not venture out that far, at least in the short term. I'd expect the first couple waves of those hitting the rural areas to be displaced suburbanites.
 

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Letter Re: A Veteran Policeman's Observations on The Golden Horde - SurvivalBlog.com
Letter Re: A Veteran Policeman's Observations on The Golden Horde

By James Wesley, Rawles on November 30, 2010 6:41 PM

One category needs to be examined, I feel, more closely than others. Since I have seen posts on your site lately dealing with the nitty-gritty, unpleasant aspects of prepping, I think this is a needed look into what's out there. I've been a cop over 20 years, my last uniform assignment before moving to Investigator being a two year stretch of Anti-Crime patrols in the Section 8 Housing projects of my city. This put me into contact with some of the "Worst of the Worst" that will be fleeing the cities in time of trouble. Gang-bangers, common street thugs, dope dealers and users, all have a place in the hierarchy of the streets. And they will certainly be part of what preppers will be facing in times of troubles. Here's some of what I have learned:

The bottom rung is occupied by the drug addicts and users. They exist, not live as we understand the word. They have no assets, no goals, no drive. But they do have an almost animal instinct to continue living. They will be armed with anything they can steal or lay hands on. Most will have a knife of razor box cutter, and some sort of cheap pistol, or they will not live to get out of the city. Since they have no resources or assets, they will be on the edge of starvation and desperation almost within a day of an event. With no fixed residence or place to defend, they will be hitting the road and coming towards us. They will become violent without any provocation and there will be no negotiating or bargaining with them. They don't want to hear your story or excuses. All they want is what you have. And have no doubts: They will do anything to get what they want. And this does include catering to their most base instincts of rape, murder and mutilation. Letting someone like this even close to you and what you have is flirting with death.

The next and most numerous will be the drones who make up the majority of the project dwellers. They live on Government Entitlement checks, have no assets and, on any given day will have no more than 3 or 4 days supply of food in their apartments,most of this being refrigerated. There will be a high percentage of females without male companions,will have a large number of children and will be absolutely vicious and violently inclined. Their day to day existence within the defined society they live in demands they be aggressive and violent.They fight more, and are arrested more,than the males they live around. The males will have more serious charges, but the females will have more of them. They too cannot be trusted. If they are drug users, they will, and have, traded their children for drugs, and, based on this proven behavior, will most certainly abandon them or trade them if the situation calls for it. Seeing that you are supplied, they will leave their children in your yard and walk away, counting on your liberal Good Samaritan instinct that has always bailed them out in the past to care for their offspring and justify that to themselves as "doing what they have to do". Knowing that they will do something as low as this,be assured they will do much worse. They habitually carry razor knives and small pistols such as .25 ACPs and .380 ACPs. They are very dangerous and unstable folks to be around. These females may or may not be accompanied by men. The males may be linked biologically to one or more of the children but will abandon them as easily as the females. These males come from the lower order of males (see next classification) and will be armed as described next.

The next order of classification will be unattached or drone males. These males tend to be convicted of felonies before they are 21 and who hang around the other, more productive males who deal drugs and have money. They will also be the so-called "foot soldiers" of the drug and street gangs. They exhibit sociopathic behavior and have no allegiance to anyone except maybe a family member, usually referred to as a "cousin" or a gang. They live off the female drones by paying cash rent, gained by low level drug dealing and petty crimes, to a female who has Section 8 housing, for a room that they sleep in and usually have no other attachment such as taking meals there.They live off fast food,carry guns of dubious origin and consume massive amounts of drugs and alcohol, mostly beer and cheap brandy and marijuana. They will not have any assets to defend, may accompany the female who rents them a room and will hang around the cities and projects only as long as their cohorts do. They will leave in junky vehicles,steal what they need along the way and kill,rob,rape and pillage their way across the countryside. Their weapons tend to be of the pistol variety although they may have access to shortened, easily concealable shotguns or rifles. Their lifestyle doesn't give them a secure place to hide or keep long guns,but they will steal and use them if given a chance. They will also have some type of blade weapon and be proficient with the use of them. They are very dangerous to anyone who comes into contact with them. The last and highest order will be the moneyed drug dealer.He will have a flashy vehicle such as an Escalade or Lexus variety. He will have quality firearms, preferring Glock handguns and SKS or AK type rifles and will have ammunition for them in quanity.He will be arrogant and a definite killer. He will have assets to defend and may not leave his comfort zone until forced by authorities or circumstances. He will have "foot soldiers" and a woman traveling with him, but probably not children. He will travel well and be charming when trying to gain confidence or talk himself out of a jam. He will also be vicious and hateful, full of spite at those he sees as having taken away his lifestyle and means of making a living. He most probably will not have a lot in the way of supplies such as food and medical equipment, tending to live in the moment and not for the future. He will be one of the opportunistic "I'll just take what I need" types. He will be very cunning, having risen to the top of the street hierarchy,and all the more dangerous because of this.

When dealing with all of the above types, caution is the word. Never let them get even a glimpse of what you have. Never let them get past your outer barrier, be that a fence, abatis or boundary line. Its best to keep verbal contact to the barest minimum. A terse: "We have nothing, go away or we will shoot" is a good example. I have seen them be charming and seemingly harmless while edging into a fence gate or otherwise getting closer until they are in range to strike. You must always remember the 20 foot rule (Never let anyone get closer than 20 feet from you at any time). It is important to remember also that the longer they have been roaming and stealing,the better armed they may be, having stolen others firearms and equipment. Seeing an obvious street thug carrying an expensive scoped rifle or an engraved shotgun should be a tip off as to what they are. These type people would never spend money on a gun that may be taken by the law at anytime in their day to day existence. They do worship Glocks and the glamour they see in them. A dealer told me once, when confessing to an assault "I just outs with my Glock .40 and let it holla" as if he had done something great.

I know that most people who read your blogs are aware enough to keep strangers away from their refuge.But if someone has never lived around these types of people,they may not be aware of just how dangerous they really are. As I mentioned,they can be charming,cunning and decietful.They have lived their entire lives off the goodwill of others and The Government and are past masters at pretending to be needy,harmless and "safe". Guile is engrained in them. I leave you with one short story. In the days after Hurricane Katrina, we were reinforced with officers from other agencies, many states away, who had volunteered to help. (I was not in New Orleans, but on the edge of the hurricane strike) I was partnered with a state SWAT officer from up North. This man was experienced and a "steady hand". As we walked through some of the power blacked-out , sweltering-in-the-heat projects, he turned to me and said: "This is worse than Mogadishu". He was scared and had good reason to be. And this was after only three days of no electricity and relief was just starting to arrive. Think about those same areas after a real failure of services and food deliveries. Good Luck. Beware the Stobor. - Ed S.
your dead nuts on the money HBuck !!!
i used to have a job that forced me to interact with some of these types & man O man they are nothing like any of the people that i know out here in the country. some were black & others were white , i didn't really matter they all thought the world owed them a living & that it should just be handed to them:scratch

to be very honest i would think that the best way to keep these kinds away from you is to offer to shoot them & if they take 1 more step in your direction then let em eat lead! don't worry about the dead body, infact leave it where it fell as a (sign post) the next group of them will see it & search out other prey instead of you & your group. I hate to say it but that is about all many understand, if they know you will kill them they will go away fast

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Great Article

Buck,

Awesome post that hits the nail on the head better than any others I've read.

Having spent a lot of time in south central LA and in the riot area from the time it started for 3 days straight, you couldn't be more right. A friend of mine who had a store by Vermont & 51st was executed at a red light by a group of gang members standing on the corner, then he was pulled out of his car, his wallet taken and left in the street like a dog.

While the inner city welfare types and gang scumbags will have to migrate from their hoods if food deliveries stop or power & water are off for longer than a few days, I feel there are enough normal people in the suburbs who will stand up and protect their neighborhoods, like what the Koreans did in LA. Don't forget about the police chief across the river from New Orleans who blocked all black males from 18-50 from crossing the bridge into his city. At first he was villified in the press as a racist, then when it was discovered the allowed injured, sick, women & kids to cross, they never bothered to report the story again. I guess it's just a coincidence that violent crime, drug dealing and property crimes went skyrocketing in the surrounding cities where the Katrina refugees were sent. I'm also guessing in a major emergency, the Federal gov't will be sending aid to the inner cities to keep them from rioting & looting, instead of to the people in the burbs.

Discussing feral dogs, there are indeed quite a few packs of wild dogs roaming the industrial areas of LA and they are a threat to anyone who encounters them. That being said, I don't have any problems adding a feral dog to my menu if the SHTF and these feral dogs will be an endangered species by others who feel the same.

One thing I'd like to add to your brilliant and accurate posting is about drug users. In So Calif areas like the Inland Empire, North San Diego, Riverside, San Bernadino, Victorville, Lancaster/Palmdale and other desert communities, meth-speed-ice and similar named drugs have exploded in use so much as to be considered an epidemic. In these areas it's the white & mexican kids who are cooking & using this garbage and it's THE most destructive drug I've ever seen. Hardcore users are so unpredictable in their behavior, they're so out of their minds, that they will act/react without warning and it's important to keep these insane MF'ers at a distance.

These meth users will literally do anything to get their next hit and they are generally without remorse, compassion, empathy or caring for the pain & devastation they inflict. They are opportunistic parasites who's existence revolves around this horrendous drug and will literally do ANYTHING to buy more. The good part about facing off with a meth user is that they're usually unarmed except with maybe a knife, they're usually not looking for a confrontation unless they're high and they're not in the best physical shape. That said, never trust, never turn your back and never allow anyone who you suspect of using meth near you or your family because you'll be the one who suffers for trusting them.

While the black or mexican gangster / street urchin is a real threat to anyone who encounters them, they usually stay in their own hood to prey on the local population. Now if things get bad and they decide to leave for greener pastures, all bets are off and I don't have any problem in protecting my family & home. With the drug violence along the mexican border incredibly out of control, it's a matter of time till it migrates to the US in a big way. I can easily see parts of the southwest US becoming a lawless 3rd world nation just like mexico and if we don't stop the illegal immigration soon, it may be too late to do anything about it.
 

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Spacestuff4me, it sounds like So. Cal isn't a very good place to be already; not when things turn bad. I hope you aren't living to close to some of those places you mentioned. I'm not sure what I'll do when a woman and her children walk up to my gate; or possibly get beyond the gate; looking for food and shelter. They won't be armed, nor will they be threatening. Then what will I do?

I certainly will not shoot them. Its the druggies and gang members that won't be a problem disposing of; but little kids and young women? Hmmm And that will be a challenge for all of us; when a neighbor we know or someone from church we recognize, or that person who was the cashier at the store or bank, comes to the gate in need of food and shelter.....what then?
 

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Spacestuff4me, it sounds like So. Cal isn't a very good place to be already; not when things turn bad. I hope you aren't living to close to some of those places you mentioned. I'm not sure what I'll do when a woman and her children walk up to my gate; or possibly get beyond the gate; looking for food and shelter. They won't be armed, nor will they be threatening. Then what will I do?

I certainly will not shoot them. Its the druggies and gang members that won't be a problem disposing of; but little kids and young women? Hmmm And that will be a challenge for all of us; when a neighbor we know or someone from church we recognize, or that person who was the cashier at the store or bank, comes to the gate in need of food and shelter.....what then?
That's when those extra buckets of rice come in handy..if the Lord can provide for me to have rice...I can provide for the children..we know it's coming.
 

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That's when those extra buckets of rice come in handy..if the Lord can provide for me to have rice...I can provide for the children..we know it's coming.
are you really going to try to feed 1000 kids??? you will be out of food in a day or 2. then you get to starve to death along with them. you may want to rethink that plan you have there.

sorry to be harsh but if the SHTF the world we live in will be much more harsh

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are you really going to try to feed 1000 kids??? you will be out of food in a day or 2. then you get to starve to death along with them. you may want to rethink that plan you have there.

sorry to be harsh but if the SHTF the world we live in will be much more harsh

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Nahh..Piglet, but I'm sure I will feed those on this street---I do know that I will hand the containers through the door/they will not get in my house....we have 4 weapons so are ready to defend what we have.

Depending on the disaster--if we don't have long to live,...I will give meat and goods away...:eek:

Piglet, my husband and I have no family...there are worse things than dying..we have talked a lot about this and know what we're doing.

"the will of God will never take you where the grace of God will not protect you"
 

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Very good, sobering article.
I have wondered about the druggies, once they cannot get their fix, will they kill theirselves in withdrawl. Even if they steal things, their supply will be suddenly cut off - at any price.

Yes, Francon, let's not forget that - and that is a short fuse that is totally unpredictable.

JayJay, wish you luck with that. Once the hordes find out where you are and you have what they need may the Lord watch over you. Good intentions, but as for me, I'll try to lay as low as possible. :dunno:

bczoom - shame on you, planning on eating someone's pet. shame shame, (ps do you have any good receipes for cat?) :sssh:

My concern is what if anything will trigger a social collapse. If it is a very gradual thing, such as an economic collapse as happened in Germany after WWI these things may not play out this way.
If it is a disaster such as Katrina, earthquake, etc. we had better look out this could very well be how it plays out. :confused:
 

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Hubby and I have discussed this and have a plan to put together small ration packs to distribute for children. My heart breaks for those without the awareness to be prepared for themselves and their children, I know we can't feed them all and that is something we pray about daily. I finially got my brother-in-law on board by reminding him his grandchildren would be looking to him for shelter and food when the balloon goes up. May God give us the strength to do what must be done.
 

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Hubby and I have discussed this and have a plan to put together small ration packs to distribute for children. My heart breaks for those without the awareness to be prepared for themselves and their children, I know we can't feed them all and that is something we pray about daily. I finially got my brother-in-law on board by reminding him his grandchildren would be looking to him for shelter and food when the balloon goes up. May God give us the strength to do what must be done.
Sober thoughts Clarice... I truly can't say what I will do...my husband says I will shell out small packages too for those needing it...I'm just lucky to be sort of in a rural area, we can a lot and I know of someone who has ordered a HUGE propane gas tank(swapped the smaller one), had it filled and is using only electricity...so I'm NOT the only one on this street that sees what's coming!!
I buy my preps mostly 30 miles away, pull into the garage to unload, have an 8 X 8 foot pantry and several unused closets.

I just do not know...like I said, if the disaster is terminal, I will give what I have to those who will live through it if I don't/.....

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Good artical

This is an accurate discription of the people you will have to worry about. As a former Deputy Sheriff I can tell you that everything HBuck says is so.

Better be asking yourself now, Am I ready touse violence and leathal force?

In a situation like HBuck decribes, you will not be able to go out and talk to these people. You may want a Bull horn to warn them on their way and you had better be ready to back it up with some buckshot.

Here is a couple of defencive things that may help.

Make some signs that say :

"Bloodborn Pathigen Protection Required."
Active AID'S Paitents inside

Go ahead and dig a couple of graves in your yard. About six inches deep and mound up the dirt so they look real. Put up a crude sign over each grave that says "Looter".

You will need a 24 hour guard. A dog is good but don't depend on him. You need a man on the gun. He needs to be awake, alert and out out veiw.

If you are alone , you need an alarm system . Monofiliment line can be used to set tripwires to trigger an audauble alarm. If you need a silent alarm to wake you use the trip wire to trigger a small can of water to spill on your face.

If you are alone you will have to sleep in a hidden location.

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