The more I think about it, the more I dislike the terms "bugging in" and "bugging out".
I like the term shelter in place. I think it has more positive connotations.
Instead of bugging out, I prefer the term strategic relocation. Hopefully you will be relocating to a secure retreat, secondary site, or whatever you want to call it. I also dislike the term refugee when we are talking about people making a strategic relocation in a SHTF situation. If you are prepared then a person can hardly be called a refugee. Maybe temporarily displaced person is a better term?
If you are just going to wander in a total collapse, then well, I guess you could be called a wanderer? A bone hunter? If your not prepared to do this, then eventaully you'll be called a corpse.
The words we use have a certain power over us. I'm not running away, I'm making a strategic relocation. I'm not bugging in, I'm sheltering in place. I'm not a refugee, I'm a wandering anti-MZB asset.
Words can lift us up, or tear us down. Think about it.
I think alot of people are going to try to be nomadic hunter-gatherers. Though if theories are very accurate then most of the population will turn out to be protein supplies or organic fertilizer.
I think alot of people are going to try to be nomadic hunter-gatherers. Though if theories are very accurate then most of the population will turn out to be protein supplies or organic fertilizer.
I like your terms. In a bad situation a positive outlook can make the difference between life and death. "What do most people die of in a survival situation?......Shame" Anthony Hopkins The Edge.
Now I have to go add this to the movie thread
I think alot of people are going to try to be nomadic hunter-gatherers. Though if theories are very accurate then most of the population will turn out to be protein supplies or organic fertilizer.
"Protein supplies or organic fertilizer" is the best description I have heard for the majority of bugger outers. I've heard a lot of friends say they are headed for the mountains. Why? I have no idea. I imagine 99% of those bugging out have no plan whatsoever.
Terminology is just for forums. If I have to bug out (or strategically relocate) I will label myself a displaced tactical threat assessment operator & guide. But once I arrive at my bug out location (aka secure retreat) I will go with secondary habitat life coordinator & foe eradicator.
Terminology is just for forums. If I have to bug out (or strategically relocate) I will label myself a displaced tactical threat assessment operator & guide. But once I arrive at my bug out location (aka secure retreat) I will go with secondary habitat life coordinator & foe eradicator.
There are going to be a lot of rusty guns and knives by piles of bones ‘in the mountains’ that is for sure. I hear folks talk the same when the subject comes up, “Going to head for the mountains and live off the land!” I don’t argue with them or even ask questions anymore, I just chuckle to myself. I picture them heading off with a rifle and a backpack with a hundred round of ammo and a pair of clean underwear in it.
I am not sheltering in place or bugging in, I’m staying home. If need be there is a little hollow nearby I can go camping for a spell.
There are going to be a lot of rusty guns and knives by piles of bones 'in the mountains' that is for sure. I hear folks talk the same when the subject comes up, "Going to head for the mountains and live off the land!" I don't argue with them or even ask questions anymore, I just chuckle to myself. I picture them heading off with a rifle and a backpack with a hundred round of ammo and a pair of clean underwear in it.
I am not sheltering in place or bugging in, I'm staying home. If need be there is a little hollow nearby I can go camping for a spell.
I almost used the phrase, staying home, because it feels right. After all there's no place like home.
Even if you have the skills and knowledge necessary, heading to the hills and "living off the land" is going to be difficult. If not downright deadly... Perhaps for a short period of time, but long term? Nope. I'm sure most of these people wouldn't even make it to the mountains. :nuts:
Ha I AM in the mountains, I'm staying home! The only reason I might relocate for a little while is if 'they' come knocking on the door.... Then I'll relocate in the mountains for a few days but well within distance of my home.
I'm under the assumption that, at least for the first two or three years, I'll be too damn busy staying alive, and adapting to x, y, or z that I didn't anticipate, to give a shit what people choose to label me or what I do.
I'm under the assumption that, at least for the first two or three years, I'll be too damn busy staying alive, and adapting to x, y, or z that I didn't anticipate, to give a shit what people choose to label me or what I do.
I think you missed the point of my post. It's not about what other people call us, or what labels they use. It was about how we refer to OURSELVES, right NOW, not during some kind of crisis, disaster, SHTF situation, or whatever. I also could care less what other people call me, or how they label me.
I think alot of people are going to try to be nomadic hunter-gatherers. Though if theories are very accurate then most of the population will turn out to be protein supplies or organic fertilizer.
I promise you that I'm not trying to be smarmy when I say this, but who really cares? If you care, that's cool and you can (obviously) call it whatever you want. To me, they are just common terms and have zero bearing on my state of mind. I will not allow a "term", especially the most common ones, to have ANY power over me. I prep, and depending on the situation, I'll bug in, or bug out, and do my damnedest to keep me and mine alive and safe... and not give a flip about a "term". What's going to "lift me up" is just knowing that I was at least somewhat prepared, and not left as helpless as all the other sheep who thought "Ohh c'mon, that could never happen!".
All that being said though.. you do what you need to do buddy! If calling it something else gives you a more positive outlook in a SHTF scenario, then I say more power to ya!!! :beercheer: Just keep prepping brother!!!! :congrat:
My uplifting thought is I think of myself as a "smart frugal person" that preps and stores food and other necessities. Someone who always has emergency supplies in the trucks for summer and especially winter, ways of making heat in winter, and hand tools to get almost any job done.
I don't live anywhere near the mountains so I guess I won't have to worry about intruders, so I'm safe and comfortable at home. If need be I can relocate to a hidden walk in cellar for a while.
How a person survives depends on their knowledge and their capabilities.
I wasn't really trying to change peoples minds about terms or labels. People are going to think the way they want to think. I was kind of thinking "out loud" via a forum post. ( It was late and I was having a bout of insomnia. Kind of like tonight... DOH. ) Anyway, plenty of great responses.
Zanazaz, I will agree with you. Personally I don't worry about what I call it. However, state of mind is one of the MOST IMPORTANT factors in surviving. It is, IMO, imperative to keep a positive attitude, before, during, and after whatever situation befalls you.
For me, the mindset is, determination, stubbornness (not to fail), confidence (but not OVER- confidence) in the skills and knowledge I had gained.
I wasn't really trying to change peoples minds about terms or labels. People are going to think the way they want to think. I was kind of thinking "out loud" via a forum post. ( It was late and I was having a bout of insomnia. Kind of like tonight... DOH. ) Anyway, plenty of great responses.
I think that you are on exactly the right track. For instance, "Preppers" is not so eyebrow raising for the Lamestream-media as is "SURVIVALIST". An important point to staying/sheltering at home is who your neighbors are. If you don't know them well it will be easier to mention preparing for your earthquake/fire/etc. disaster scenario than the more amusing zombie apocalypse scenarios which might scare them off. I'd rather see that my neighbors are ready than have to shoo them away when they come to the door demanding my supplies.
Zanazaz, I will agree with you. Personally I don't worry about what I call it. However, state of mind is one of the MOST IMPORTANT factors in surviving. It is, IMO, imperative to keep a positive attitude, before, during, and after whatever situation befalls you.
For me, the mindset is, determination, stubbornness (not to fail), confidence (but not OVER- confidence) in the skills and knowledge I had gained.
IMHO that is truly the mindset to have. :congrat:
I will add that for me it would also be the willingness to listen and learn from anyone that has a skill that I might need and I would put heavy money on the fact that you feel the same.
I think that you are on exactly the right track. For instance, "Preppers" is not so eyebrow raising for the Lamestream-media as is "SURVIVALIST". An important point to staying/sheltering at home is who your neighbors are. If you don't know them well it will be easier to mention preparing for your earthquake/fire/etc. disaster scenario than the more amusing zombie apocalypse scenarios which might scare them off. I'd rather see that my neighbors are ready than have to shoo them away when they come to the door demanding my supplies.
Yeah, survivalist has had a negative connatation for a while now. However, I think that a prepper and a survivalist are two different things.
I consider a survivalist as being someone who, whether through an accident or on purpose, ends up in a wilderness area, and equipped with very little or nothing can survive. A survivalist may not be a prepper.
A prepper is someone who prepares for emergencies, whatever the type, short or long term. Maybe they just store food and supplies, or maybe they have a homestead, and are largely self sufficient. A prepper can also be a survivalist, and a survivalist can be a prepper.
Of course this is just my opinion. Many consider survivalists as gun-toting nut jobs. I'm sure in some cases that may be the case.
IMHO thet is truly the mindset to have. :congrat:
I will add that for me it would also be the willingness to listen and learn from anyone that has a skill that I might need and I would put heavy money on the fact that you feel the same.
Yeah, survivalist has had a negative connatation for a while now. However, I think that a prepper and a survivalist are two different things.
I consider a survivalist as being someone who, whether through an accident or on purpose, ends up in a wilderness area, and equiped with very little or nothing can survive. A survivalist may not be a prepper.
A prepper is someone who prepares for emergencies, whatever the type, short or long term. Maybe they just store food and supplies, or maybe they have a honestead, and are largely self sufficient. A prepper can also be a survivalist, and a survivalist can be a prepper.
Of course this is just my opinion. Many consider survivalists as gun-toting nut jobs. I'm sure in some cases that may be the case.
OK I get it I'm a survivalist..no wait I'm a prepper..no wait I'm a surviving prepper..no that's not it either. Oh now I get it I'm a prepper that is prepared to survive as long as I have preps and am living in the wilderness. Damn that ain't it either..I'm so confused:scratch:dunno:
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