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Old 04-10-2013, 04:08 AM   #1
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Default True 30 mile range

OK I know this has been beaten to death over and over, but here goes again anyway. Maybe a new spin this time?

Is there anything out there that could be used for commo gear that DOESN'T require a license that can get a true 30 mile range (not on the open desert, but around urban, and outdoors) , be mobile (vehicle mounted if needed, handheld slave to vehicle if needed), and not cost 10minutes of our deficit interest.

Basically what I am looking for is something that has great range so I can talk to and practice our commo opsec now, and when TSHTF we can still have our set comms for when those of our group are geographically removed can contact us when in vicinity.

We have several locations setup and none of us have the EXACT location for all of them. So we have to be able to establish comms when in range to get carried into home.

For those that have had a few to many or are just slow on the up take, here is what I mean.

TSHTF and it's time to bug out. My family and I pack up and get buggin, however when we get to the location that we know about we find out it has been compromised (how doesn't matter here, just play along). So it's time to move on to another area. Well even with our compromised location the bad guys don't have anything to use because all we have is a region. So I live in Virignia Beach and we head west. One of our BOL's is in TN lets say. Well the only thing I know is an area on a map, and a memorized radio freq.

We get to the designated area and following op sec we broadcast as preset and wait for response. Once we get a response, we have someone come get us and we follow into safety.


So what I am asking for is a radio that we can get that will allow us to do this reasonably well without costing thousands of dollars to get. Or tons of silver, ounces of gold, or to much bartering to make happen. :P



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The fast answer is - No.


The last set of Communicators I had to dump because the unobtainum batteries couldn't be recharged.

You have very little choice for non-license radio coms

CB - With a large antenna up high on both ends, and using SSB maybe.

MURS, two watts, by law. Not going to happen.

GMRS, which may soon be license free is five watts with antenna/ ERP restrictions. If you want to buy into a repeater, 30 miles no problem, no repeater, no comms.

I see this question about every other month. Short of finding a working set of Star Trek communicators, it just isn't going to happen, and in urban terrain, even less of a chance.



If you had a ham license, you could set up a low cost Digital voice QRP system, but each part would required a transceiver, large antenna and on and on. Several hundred for each node.



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Smoke signals but they are worthless on stormy or windy days.

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Without having 2 cans and a 30 mile long string I'd say no.

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As the others before me have said, the short answer is no. Even in licensed services, 30 miles in real world conditions can be iffy for mobile or portable, depending on terrain. There's always Satellite phones, but in a true SHTF situation they may be restricted or disabled.

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The fast answer is - No.


The last set of Communicators I had to dump because the unobtainum batteries couldn't be recharged.

You have very little choice for non-license radio coms

CB - With a large antenna up high on both ends, and using SSB maybe.

MURS, two watts, by law. Not going to happen.

GMRS, which may soon be license free is five watts with antenna/ ERP restrictions. If you want to buy into a repeater, 30 miles no problem, no repeater, no comms.

I see this question about every other month. Short of finding a working set of Star Trek communicators, it just isn't going to happen, and in urban terrain, even less of a chance.



If you had a ham license, you could set up a low cost Digital voice QRP system, but each part would required a transceiver, large antenna and on and on. Several hundred for each node.
I'm pretty sure that GMRS can run up to 50 watts. I'd have to go read part 97 again.
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Smoke signals but they are worthless on stormy or windy days.
You just think that they're worthless. What you're actually seeing with smoke signals on a windy day are ENCRYPTED smoke signals. The smoke looks noisy but if you have the decryption algorithm then you're golden.
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I'm pretty sure that GMRS can run up to 50 watts. I'd have to go read part 97 again.
A GMRS system consists of station operators, a mobile station (often comprised of several mobile units) and sometimes one or more land stations. A small base station is one that has an antenna no more than 20 feet above the ground or above the tree on which it is mounted and transmits with no more than 5 watts ERP.

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http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/general-mobile-radio-service-gmrs

The MURS has a two watt limit, but no antenna restrictions or ERP limits - it is a no license class service - but you must use type accepted radios.
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Take the technicians exam... A little less than a week of studying and then your good to go... You can get 2 YAESU FT-8800R units and can definitely hit 30 miles... And if terrain is an obstacle, then you can bounce off a repeater...


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Take the technicians exam... A little less than a week of studying and then your good to go... You can get 2 YAESU FT-8800R units and can definitely hit 30 miles... And if terrain is an obstacle, then you can bounce off a repeater...
I am currently studying for my technicians exam. Woohoo!!!
How hard is it to get your general afterwards? I'm pretty interested in being able to talk to Japan since that is where my son is going to be stationed at real soon.


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