Preserving the family

[Naiad]

Originally Posted by jafl

Should maintaining the proper family structure be the first and foremost preparation for any kind of emergency or disaster? To what extent should the government be involved in preserving families?

Yes, it should be the first preparation. But the government should be involved to NO extent whatsoever, the family is a thing of Nature, to artificially manipulate or "preserve" it with government is unnatural.

[jafl]

Originally Posted by Naiad

Yes, it should be the first preparation. But the government should be involved to NO extent whatsoever, the family is a thing of Nature, to artificially manipulate or "preserve" it with government is unnatural.

If the family is only a thing of nature, explain how and why societies have always implemented laws and customs to regulate it, and explain how and why nature has allowed the family to destroy itself with divorce and illegitimacy.

[Naiad]

Originally Posted by jafl

If the family is only a thing of nature, explain how and why societies have always implemented laws and customs to regulate it, and explain how and why nature has allowed the family to destroy itself with divorce and illegitimacy.

Because we modern humans and our societies are dumb and imperfect :P and Nature did not allow it to deteriorate, our society did. If you look at third world and developing countries, and even a few countries as developed as our own, you will see that the wholesome concept of the family is still VERY much alive and intact - particularly in those tribes that have no contact with any other outside influences, like the primitive tribes in the Amazon that still live there today. However, in our country and in our society, we glorify and even offer incentives to people who engage in rampant depravity, therefore, the fault is not Nature's that we have this problem, but our own.
P.S. You misinterpreted my words, I said that the family was a thing of Nature, but I never once used the word "only," and please do not imply that even if I didn't say it I meant it, because I didn't.

[jafl]

Originally Posted by Naiad

Because we modern humans and our societies are dumb and imperfect :P and Nature did not allow it to deteriorate, our society did.

If American society through action or inaction has allowed the family to deteriorate, why can society through action or inaction not return the family to what it once once?

[The_Blob]

Originally Posted by jafl

If American society through action or inaction has allowed the family to deteriorate, why can society through action or inaction not return the family to what it once once?

because REAL change involves pain and, unfortunately, people generally won't subject themselves to pain if there is an alternative...

also, I don't think 'inaction' will solve the problem, and any 'action' taken smells of tyranny... so WHAT would be the point?

idk

[Naiad]

Originally Posted by jafl

If American society through action or inaction has allowed the family to deteriorate, why can society through action or inaction not return the family to what it once once?

No reason why not, actually.
It's simply by our own choice that we remain as we are, and keep buying into the "down is up, up is down, wrong is right, and right is wrong" lie propagated by our popular cultural media, along with the prevalent themes our society has of moral relativism and the *insert whiny voice here* "don't judge me" attitude. :P
Some individuals, like myself, prefer to act like real human beings instead of like freaks out of Sodom and Gamora - the way almost everyone else does. Sadly, we aren't so common in America and the modernized world, but I'd like to hope that there's more of us than I think.

[jafl]

Originally Posted by The_Blob

because REAL change involves pain and, unfortunately, people generally won't subject themselves to pain if there is an alternative...

Action: castrating any man who father’s a child out of wedlock

Inaction: not giving welfare checks to any woman who has a child out of wedlock

also, I don't think 'inaction' will solve the problem, and any 'action' taken smells of tyranny... so WHAT would be the point?

idk

Any society that allows sex outside of marriage or accepts the production of bastard children has signed its own death warrant. Society cannot afford to not preserve the proper family unit.

[jafl]

Originally Posted by Naiad

No reason why not, actually.
It's simply by our own choice that we remain as we are, and keep buying into the "down is up, up is down, wrong is right, and right is wrong" lie propagated by our popular cultural media, along with the prevalent themes our society has of moral relativism and the *insert whiny voice here* "don't judge me" attitude. :P
Some individuals, like myself, prefer to act like real human beings instead of like freaks out of Sodom and Gamora - the way almost everyone else does. Sadly, we aren't so common in America and the modernized world, but I'd like to hope that there's more of us than I think.

When person A’s choice leads to person B’s harm, person B must have a right to say that person A is morally wrong and take action accordingly. When the greatest generation was raising its children they forgot that it is seldom that one person’s personal actions will have no ramifications for everyone else. No generation in all of history has seen the wholesale changes in society that was perpetrated on America by the baby boomers. The change was so sudden and so complete and so devastating that there has to be something supernatural about it.

[Naiad]

Originally Posted by jafl

... explain how and why nature has allowed ...

I really dislike when people talk about nature as if it were an entity, if you'll pardon me jafl, I'm not poking at you here.

Nature is not some singular, sentient entity, it's a collective, a perfectly balanced, multi-layered design born of the mathematical principles of order and chaos, by which the whole universe operates (also non-sentient non-entities).
The thing with humanity putting personificating fronts on things is that they have this deep-seated need to have someone or something to point a finger at. Someone to blame for when things are screwed up or credit to justify their actions, like the little kid that says "well, my imaginary friend told me to do it," which is actually frighteningly similar to "God/Allah/Bob/whoever TOLD me." People blame the invisible man, instead of taking responsibility for themselves. Pardon me saying this, but it seems appropriate "Jesus came to save your soul from sin, not your sorry @$$ from the consequences of stupidity."

Not poking anyone, mind you, just stating what I know. Everyone is entitled to find peace in whatever way they deem fit for themselves, and that being said, I would appreciate if no one respond to this reply with jumping my back trying to tell me that I'm "wrong" and trying to convert me to their particular flavor of "truth." I've already made up my mind.