Old 01-14-2009, 10:45 PM   #1
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Default Scarry,scarry reading.

http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2008/JOE2008.pdf

It is a how to guide of sorts,what the Marines expect we have to get ready for!
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Old 01-15-2009, 04:28 AM   #2
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Wow... Just gave it a quick scan looks like a guesstimate to me but you know how those go there never write I will give it a read thank you
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Old 01-16-2009, 12:03 AM   #3
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Dig the one they're sure of......
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Old 01-16-2009, 02:34 AM   #4
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Why is it when government gets involved it is never a rose garden or just the optiset .. You ask a knowledgeable person and they will tell you things need to get started to change things today for next week but the government will ignore it until one day they stand up and say the sky is falling and we need to get out of the way or na is just looks like its falling .. I know and everyone else knows common sense is what is needed.. but why can they not apply this to what they do and say I will Finnish reading it tonight or tomorrow time is what I lack . between Work , Chores , and my personal shop time their is just not enough time
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:06 AM   #5
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Very interesting...
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Old 01-16-2009, 02:47 PM   #6
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Default U.S. ready for Mexico violence - Military would respond to drug war

Friday, January 9th, 2009 'The El Paso Times' / El Paso, TX

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U.S. ready for Mexico violence - El Paso Times

EL PASO -- If Mexico's vicious drug war ever spills into El Paso, the United States has several response plans, one of which calls for a military surge along the U.S.-Mexico border, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said this week.

Chertoff has instructed the 22 federal agencies that fall under Homeland Security to develop border-violence response plans because the drug war in Mexico appears to be escalating, not ending. So far, more than 5,300 people have been killed across Mexico as rival drug cartels continue to fight over drug trafficking corridors.

One drug corridor at the center of the violence is the Juárez "plaza," where more than 1,600 people were killed last year. In Mexico, "plaza" refers to a drug cartel's territory.

"We completed a contingency plan for border violence, so if we did get a significant spillover, we have a surge -- if I may use that word -- capability to bring in not only our own assets but even to work with" the Defense Department, Chertoff told The New York Times.

He did not give details on how, when or where the military might be used.

The El Paso Times could not reach Chertoff, but Jason Ciliberti, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection,20which is one of the federal agencies under the Homeland Security department, confirmed the contingency plans. He said federal agencies have had border-violence response plans for several months now.

"We need them so customs and Border Patrol can continue daily operations," Ciliberti said from his Washington, D.C., office. "The other reason the plans exist is because these agencies, which are all a part of Homeland Security, must provide U.S. citizens with a safe place to live. If the violence threatens the daily safety and daily routine of U.S. citizens, Homeland Security must be ready."

Ciliberti said the contingency plans vary, but for the most part, if the violence in Mexico spills into the U.S., the first Homeland Security plan calls for increasing the number of Border Patrol agents in the region. The El Paso sector now has about 2,500 Border Patrol agents. Chertoff said that nationally, an additional 19,000 agents will be deployed this year.

The Homeland Security plan also calls for the partnering of federal agents with local and state police officers to help patrol any areas where border violence is occurring.

It is unknown how many federal agents and officers are in El Paso, but all of the agents who work for immigration and customs are a part of the Homeland Security network.

"As a last resort, it would include the military," Ciliberti said.

Paul Boyce, a spokesman with U.S. Army public affairs office in the Pentagon, said all of the U.S. armed forces, including the Army and Fort Bliss, are a part of U.S. emergency contingency plans. He said the military is ready to help any city, state or region in any type of emergency.

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Old 01-16-2009, 04:54 PM   #7
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What do they mean "spill over".... those guys not only have to come across but bring guns or come across and get guns on this side....

Are they just crossing the fence? Isn't the fence lined with cameras? If they need to fight over areas of El Paso shouldnt that say things about its current status....
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Old 01-18-2009, 05:31 PM   #8
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Saw that too.we'll never learn until the west seceeds,that minefields make the best neighbors!
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Old 01-22-2009, 04:47 PM   #9
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Mexican Army support of the dopers is well documented:

WASHINGTON -- Armed men in Mexican military uniforms have illegally crossed into the United States to provide cover for drug smugglers, and have fired upon U.S. Border Patrol agents on several occasions, a congressional panel was told Tuesday.

Border Patrol Union President T.J. Bonner detailed three incidents since 2000 in which U.S. agents were chased and fired upon by what he characterized as Mexican soldiers operating inside U.S. borders. Bonner testified before the House Homeland Security Investigations Subcommittee on Tuesday...

Mexican military incursions into U.S. inflame border situation - Security- msnbc.com

Mexican Army incursions onto U.S. soil to protect drug runners

During his travels along the border, Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) learned that the Mexican Army and Law Enforcement Agencies routinely make incursions into the U.S. A total of 23 were confirmed by the U.S. government in 2001, and there have been over 115 since 1996. The purpose of these incursions is not totally understood, but U.S. officials have speculated that they are designed to help facilitate the flow of illegal drugs into America, either by creating a diversion or by providing cover for the traffickers.

When Rep. Tancredo sent a letter to the Mexican government, the Embassy in Washington, DC sent a curt response to his inquiry, implying that the troops were merely getting lost. Not a single U.S. law enforcement agent on the ground in the southwest has agreed with that explanation.

Rep. Tancredo's office has begun documenting new incursions as they take place. Most recently, two disturbing incursions have taken place. On May 17th, a Mexican Army unit led an incursion near Ajo, Arizona that ended with a shot being fired at a Border Patrol Agent. The agent was not hurt, but had two of his vehicle's windows shot out. On June 14th, the Mexican Army opened fire (with high-powered .308 rifles) on a vehicle with 20 people packed into it. Six of the passengers were injured, two critically.

Despite Rep. Tancredo's efforts to draw attention to them, each incident received only spotty coverage.

(From U.S. House Immigration Reform Caucus website).

Mexican Army incursions onto U.S. soil to protect drug runners - Desert Invasion - US

Mexican military incursions into the United States - San Miguel de Allende, Mexico

An Arizona congressman yesterday demanded the State Department take "immediate diplomatic action" to stop Mexican military incursions into the United States, saying U.S. Border Patrol agents face a continuing threat of being killed by rogue soldiers protecting drug smugglers.

Two-term Republican Rep. Rick Renzi, in a letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, said reports of Mexican military units providing armed escorts to drug and alien smuggling operations represent "narco-terrorism in its purest form."

"Our borders are under attack by sophisticated organizations that have no qualms about firing on our Border Patrol units," Mr. Renzi said. "As we get tougher and more committed, so do the organizations committed to smuggling death and terror across our borders."

A State Department official yesterday said the department is "in touch with the Mexican government when incidents occur," adding that "they are usually resolved at that time at the local level." The official did not know whether Mr. Renzi's letter had been received.

Meanwhile, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff yesterday told reporters at Defense Today magazine that Mexican military incursions average about 20 a year, but were declining.

He called concern over the issue "overblown" and "scare tactics."

Mr. Chertoff also said a significant number of the incursions were "innocent," noting that police and military units in Mexico pursuing criminals "may step across the border because they do not know exactly where the line is."

"Sometimes they may be people who are dressed in what appear to be military uniforms but they are just criminals, they are not military but they are wearing camouflage so someone may assume they are military," he said.

"We have good relations with our counterparts across the border, we do have instances where we have Mexican police or military who deserted and become involved with criminal activity but we also have bad cops in the United States, too. It happens," he said.

The U.S. Border Patrol recently warned agents in Arizona of military incursions by Mexican soldiers "trained to escape, evade and counter-ambush" if detected. The warning follows increased sightings of what authorities describe as heavily armed Mexican military units on the U.S. side of the border.

While the Mexican government has vigorously denied that its military is crossing into the U.S., Mr. Renzi said that during a tour of the Arizona border last month in a U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement (ICE) helicopter, the pilot showed him military-style humvees lining up at dusk just south of the border to move drugs into the U.S.

He said the preparations occur nightly, noting that 50 percent of the drugs coming into this country pass though the Arizona desert.

"The Border Patrol knows they're coming but they are outmanned and outgunned," he said. "We need military technology to combat these military operations."

Mr. Renzi also said states such as Arizona should be able to supplement federal border enforcement with federally financed state border guard units. He said states can react quickly to new border threats, and that the federal government is unable to graduate enough new agents.

"Border states are tired of waiting for a secure border," he said.

The Border Patrol warning asked the agents to report the size, activity, location, time and equipment of any units observed, but warned them to keep "a low profile," use "cover and concealment" in approaching the units, and to "stay as quiet as possible."

Rafael Laveaga, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, denied this week that the Mexican military was crossing into the United States. He said the use by some drug smugglers of green uniforms and military-style vehicles had "confused" U.S. authorities.

Mr. Laveaga said Mexican military units have strict protocols to prevent them from crossing the border.

But T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 10,000 of the agency's non-supervisory personnel, said it was "common knowledge" along the border that some Mexican military units, federal and state police, and former Mexican soldiers are paid by drug cartels to protect shipments of cocaine, marijuana and heroin into the United States.

A total of 216 incursions by suspected Mexican military units have been documented since 1996 -- 75 in California, 63 in Arizona and 78 in Texas, according to a Department of Homeland Security report.

Mr. Renzi said radar-equipped aerostat balloons now on the border have forced airplanes that previously brought drugs into the United States to "land short," about 120 miles south of the border where the drugs are transferred to vehicles to be driven across the border. He said the balloons could be mounted with sensors to detect the approach of drug smugglers and "the muscle that protects them."

He is the author of a $50 million border intelligence pilot program known as "Red Zone Defense," which was included in the Department of Homeland Security's appropriation bill. It would coordinate the sharing of intelligence on border security information in Cochise County, Ariz., an area of the border that has become the nation's most popular drug and alien smuggling corridor.

Mr. Renzi said the two-year program would use airships, aerostats and unmanned aerial vehicles for surveillance that could pinpoint the exact location of drug smugglers on the border. He said that would give Border Patrol agents increased security.
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Old 01-23-2009, 01:05 PM   #10
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Whoa.........and we won't build the damn wall why?
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