So, today, are you ready for this?

[wd4nyl]

No war on US shores since 1812,


Not entirely true. Not counting the Alamo. There was a little skirmish in the 1860's called the Civil War. Indian raids. The Japanese shelling San Diego. Gemans sinking ships in the Gulf. Al Quaida attacking New York & DC.

That said us getting "nuked" doesn't overly disturb me.

"Societal Collapse" is a figment of uneducated/undereducated and paranoid minds, AND, the hucksters trying to get you to CONSUME!!!."


Civil disturbances such as the riots in Watts & Chicago & the breakdown in law and order Post Katrina wasn't "figments of uneducated/undereducated and paranoid minds." It did happen and given the same circumstances, it will happen again.

Living in the country one wouldn't be exposed to this. Living in the city, it's a very real, very near threat.

I live it every day.

And, if today, while law and order is in effect, people are being blown away daily for no reason, as is happening, why should one think things wouldn't quickly turn into a chaotic hell when the next "Katrina scenario" occurs?

[Tim]

JeepHammer,

You said: "I do wish they would quit standing in the way of, and distracting the people that are actually getting something done and moving forward!"

So, who's standing your way?

But I did go off topic a little bit, sorry about that.

[endurance]

Originally Posted by Tim

But I did go off topic a little bit, sorry about that.

So rather than rant off topic, answer the question, please.

[JeepHammer]

[quote=wd4nyl;6039]Not entirely true. Not counting the Alamo.[quote]

Try again, the Alamo was in Texas (Tejas) Province, MEXICO when the Alamo battle was fought.
Crack a history book.

There was a little skirmish in the 1860's called the Civil War.

Internal fighting, not foreign attack.
Again, crack a history book before posting.

Indian raids.

You REALLY want to nit pick!
Actually, Europeans were the foreign invaders, and the 'Indians' (although none were from India dipstick) were simply defending their home lands.
AND,
The skirmishes were in TERRITORIES trying to become states, not states...

The Japanese shelling San Diego.

And were was that 'Invasion' we were discussing?
A Jap sub cranked a few rounds into un-inhabited ground and you consider that an INVASION!?
Pretty funny!

Gemans sinking ships in the Gulf.

And you forgot about the sabotage team landed on shores during WWII.
Still not an invasion.

Al Quaida attacking New York & DC.

Terrorist attacks now constitute an attack my foreign powers?
You need to spend a few years in school, a few more in the military, then review your attempt at an 'Answer'...

That said us getting "nuked" doesn't overly disturb me.

If we do, it will be by one of our own power plants that was being operated by big energy trying to save a buck while robbing us.

Civil disturbances such as the riots in Watts & Chicago & the breakdown in law and order Post Katrina wasn't "figments of uneducated/undereducated and paranoid minds." It did happen and given the same circumstances, it will happen again.

You REALLY want to string together the thinnest of unrelated circumstances...

First off, The race riots in Watts, Chicago (and you forgot) Birmingham and Atlanta were the cumulation of 194 years of the US Government systematically repressing/Oppressing an entire race of people.
Roughly 300 years of European oppression before that.
(It really doesn't matter WHO is standing on your neck, it's just the fact that there is SOMEONE IS standing on your neck)
And there wasn't a total break down of society, it was simply a group of people that weren't going to take it any more, free and equal or die...

I wonder why you didn't further insult Native Americans by calling the uprising at Wounded Knee in 1973 a break down in 'Society' and calling the primaries 'Savages' or 'Indians'...

The New Orleans debacle wouldn't have happened if the Bush White-house would have responded in a reasonable amount of time...
Since New Orleans was a historically democratic voting block, Bush/Chaney/Haliburton simply said, "Screw 'em!"

Living in the country one wouldn't be exposed to this. Living in the city, it's a very real, very near threat.

ENTIRELY BS!
You think we are 'Country Bumpkins' because we are bright enough to pay our bills, live within our means, try and live as close to 'Sustainable' as we can...

No threat in cities...
Cities get first crack at any FEMA aid,
The governor calls out the national guard to clear streets when it cities get big snow...
We got 6" of ice, then 4' of snow in '78,
and it was 18 days before anyone from the state even bothered to FLY over!

This spring WE had to chain farmer Hay wagons on behind my Jeep to go rescue elderly and infirmed from nursing homes because flood waters were rising at a rate of about 1' per every 15 minutes!
It was 9 days before the government reps showed up, and that was the governor landing in a helicopter, taking a photo op, and taking off again.
15 days before the RED CROSS even responded!

So, there scooter, tell me again how we have it so good and the cities have it so bad...
The worst thing you have to worry about is some sports team winning a game and the idiot, fat, drunken slobs rioting!

I live it every day.

Spend some time in the middle east wearing a uniform,
Or some of the warring African nations, then come back and tell me how much you are in danger and how bad you have it!.....

And, if today, while law and order is in effect, people are being blown away daily for no reason, as is happening, why should one think things wouldn't quickly turn into a chaotic hell when the next "Katrina scenario" occurs?

People being blown away daily for no reason...
That's a good one!
Where do you live, Mogadishu? Baghdad?

Murders happen, usually drunken welfare morons having 'Domestic' disputes or gangs/dopers killing each other.
There are 'Reasons', and it's mostly because people made BAD CHOICES...

Mostly because you all decided to pack on top of each other like roaches,
Because you don't raise your children- Just let them run wild on the streets,
You don't work with your hands, work with your neighbors, and learn self worth and self respect...

Sell the Sterio, Flat screen TV, get rid of the 'Penis Substitute' vehicle, and pick your self up and go do some Peace Corps work for about 4 years,
OR join the military for AT LEAST 4 years....
Then come back and find yourself a nice piece of land, plant a garden, get to know your neighbors, and try to live sustainable...

Maybe dust off the brain cells that haven't been eaten away by Jeager & Ecstasy, and learn how to invest yourself in your community...

Maybe learn a thing or two about renewable energy,
Gardening, animal husbandry, mechanics so you can keep basic dependable transportation running that DOESN'T HAVE a stero that annoys everyone for a 3 block radius...

You know, a REAL education!

[wd4nyl]

SheepHammer Speaketh "No war on US shores since 1812"

And further pontificates

Internal fighting, not foreign attack.
Again, crack a history book before posting

Showing that he doesn't hit check his emails before posting

But, I guess he just proves the saying - "EMPTY BARRELS MAKE THE MOST NOISE"

[Tim]

Originally Posted by endurance

So rather than rant off topic, answer the question, please.

I haven't ranted about anything. My browser took me to mid-page and I didn't notice your first post, if I had I probably would not have joined in the discussion.

I can't imagine what kind jerk would take a perverse joy in societal collapse or war, but it ain't me. I'm just trying to prepare for bad things that go beyond ice storms, although that's part of the equation also.

In answer to your question, I have kerosene stoves, gas lanterns, crank and battery powered radios, ample food and water, books and conversation for entertainment and a generator.

[AgentFlounder]

Way to wildly generalize there JeepHammer. I'd write more but I have to go take ...what was it you said... Ecstasy and go be fat and watch my TV and riot... or something.

[jebrown]

No attacks by foreigners on U. S. soil since 1812?
Alaska wasn't a state then but is was U.S. soil when the Japanese invaded Dutch Haarbor in Alaska during World War II. It was a ploy to draw attention from the attack at Midway Island in the Pacific

[littlechickenranchHen]

Heat/cooking-pot belly stove and lots of wood already cut.

Lights-flashlights w/ extra batteries. Wind-up/solar dynamo light. Go to bed earlier.

Food-have months worth on hand and chickens laying eggs. Pond-on site for fishing.

Entertainment-board games and cards.

Water- well with hand pump and a bucket. Pond on site. Bleach on hand. Boiling pot for wood burning stove. Hope to buy a solar-shower and Brita water filter pitcher soon.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by endurance

I know there's some perverse joy that's gained by thinking about the end of the world as we know it, when what weapons you've cached will make all the difference, but what if something less dramatic happened? What if something like this happened at your home right now?

Here's the scenario: There's a severe winter storm that has shut down all the roads, brought down powerlines, and temperatures have plummeted to the single digits. You have no electricity, which, more than likely, means you have no furnace or boiler because they take electricity to run fans and pumps. So, how ready are you for this? What steps have you taken to ensure heat, light, and food for your family for 72 hours and beyond? How long could you hold out before you'd have to secure something beyond what you have at home (fuel, food, water, entertainment)? Just what are you going to do if there's no internet or TV to entertain you? What are the next steps you need to make to prepare if you aren't already prepared?

Personally, I see this as one of the most likely events for most Americans at any given time. If you really want to throw a wrench in it, what would you do if the storm came in while you were at work? In your car?

In the blizzard of 93,I threw another log in the stove,cracked a bottle of scotch,propped my feet up on a case of MREs,and went to sleep,except for missing three weeks of work,my life barely skipped a beat.


The blizzard DID come while I was at work,the greedy Btards wouldn't turn us out until there was six inches of snow standing on the road.[this is Georgia,nobody born here knows how to drive in snow!]I put my little Buick in granny and putted on home,it took me an hour to drive five miles,but home I went!after that,it was pretty smooth sailing.