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Old 07-17-2017, 01:39 AM   #31
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I (like almost all preppers) watch countless news sites and I have heard many many times about just how fragile the nation's electric grid is. I have no inside information and I can only rely on what I can see with my own eyes. I have lived in a couple widely separate places in the USA. In each place after being there for many years I found the power grid to be amazingly stable and dependable. Just sayin'
In my last home there was a fire at the power plant a couple of years before I moved there. People flew in all available generators in the State and had to start ordering them from Seattle. The community was about 5,000 at that time. Once they got it up and running there were the regular short term outages. More than once I had to rely on my propane range to heat my home.

My current home is very close to the epicenter of a 9.2 earthquake so the threat of losing power for an extended period is very real. I lost power here for several hours when a contractor dug through a buried power line without checking with the power company first.

Generally speaking the power is reliable but my life experience has shown me that I am better off being prepared for a grid down situation.


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Old 07-17-2017, 04:46 AM   #32
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Care to share? That sounds like a great new thread.
where would I put that thread, I think we had some discussion about this topic before


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I can't speak to the US but I have numerous friends employed in the electrical power industry in Canada and they tell me that one decent solar flare and it's all done. Ice storms take out part of the grid for days on end in the winter. In 2003 a forest fire took out the whole valley I live in for 8 days. When the system works it's great but it is fragile

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where would I put that thread, I think we had some discussion about this topic before
How about, General Homesteading & Building?
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Hardening the electric grid against EMP/CME would not stop common outages due to physical damage (like ice storms, high winds knocking down poles, drunks driving into poles, etc).
While I am not saying that EMP/CME is not a threat or that either could not cause a big outage, I am just saying it has Never happened and no matter what anyone says we really don't know how bad the damage would be if either did happen. And yes I know anyone can now post links to countless news articles that warn of the end of the world if we have a EMP/CME. But the raw fact is that it is all just speculation. It has never happened so there is no hard data. Many so-called experts vary greatly in their personal opinion of what would happen. The 'experts' that get all the air-time are the doom sayers while the boring ones that say little will happen or that tell the truth that we just don't know seldom get heard from in news articles.
And I am a prepper and I plan for power outages, including outages of long duration. I also plan for food shortages (even though the USA has never had a food shortage).

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Just when I was about to comment the lights went out. Been going out off and on for last few days with storms. Not even storming yet though.

Here in the south we get a reminder quite often about living without power.


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The two bombs in Japan were low altitude detonations. EMP effect is line of sight so a small area would be affected. In WWII vehicles were not loaded with computers and electronic ignition did not exist. Cars from before the sixties or early seventies would probably be just fine.

Communications in WWII were tube type radio, hard wire telephone, and telegraph. I expect she left the immediate area to find communication or medical help for that matter. Going to the back side of the next hill would probably have done the trick.
My post was just a report on what I heard on the History channel. The 2 bombs were exploded at 1900 feet AGL and the women worked at a teletype business within in a few miles of the center on destruction and was not affected by EMP, so there was no help from a hill. The point I was trying to make about vehicles was that the older (hard wired) cars with pointed ignitions survived the EMP from the bomb.

Newer bombs could be designed to generate factors more EMP then Fat Man and Little Boy did.
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Hardening the electric grid against EMP/CME would not stop common outages due to physical damage (like ice storms, high winds knocking down poles, drunks driving into poles, etc).
While I am not saying that EMP/CME is not a threat or that either could not cause a big outage, I am just saying it has Never happened and no matter what anyone says we really don't know how bad the damage would be if either did happen. And yes I know anyone can now post links to countless news articles that warn of the end of the world if we have a EMP/CME. But the raw fact is that it is all just speculation. It has never happened so there is no hard data. Many so-called experts vary greatly in their personal opinion of what would happen. The 'experts' that get all the air-time are the doom sayers while the boring ones that say little will happen or that tell the truth that we just don't know seldom get heard from in news articles.
And I am a prepper and I plan for power outages, including outages of long duration. I also plan for food shortages (even though the USA has never had a food shortage).
In 1859 the Carrington Event took out the grid in Europe and N. America. Granted, the grid only consisted of telegraph. Some telegraph wires burned. After disconnecting their power supply telegraph operators were able to transmit and receive messages in some cases. In 2012 a similar sized CME missed us by 9 days. In recent years Canada was hit by a small CME that knocked out power regionally.

Hardening the grid would not stop outages from ice storms, floods, and many other natural disasters. These are local events and far less serious. In an EMP we would have a continental disaster and a CME could cover an entire hemisphere. The demand for assistance would be overwhelming and few left to help. The few factories for large transformers couldn't meet the demand even if they had power. Could they get raw materials?

You are right, we don't know how bad it might be. I'm going for the worst case scenario, then I'm prepared for anything less. Okay, I'm really not prepared for worst case but that is my goal, and I assume yours also.
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I was going to mention the Carrington event but Caribou beat me to it. There were people starving during the depression and dust bowl.


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Myself, being a man made climate change denier, use the dust bowl as an example as to why I'm a denier.
People did starve during both those times. It's interesting when I talk to my oldest family members that were from farming families (and still are) about the depression times. How they experienced it was different than the city folk. But electricity wasn't used so much back then and wouldn't of bothered them a bit if they lost it. I do enjoy reading depression era cookbooks. Feeding a family on very little is fascinating.




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