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Old 06-19-2012, 09:25 PM   #31
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I' m not sure where , but I ve read where during ths Dust Bowl the build up of static was so great that it would shut cars/ vehicles down and the only way to prevent it was to drag a chain. I've also read where and seen fuel trucks doing the same (I thought something was wrong with them and backed off accordingly).
Our newer vehicles are in a steel machine shed, will this help for EMP / solar flares?



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Old 06-19-2012, 10:11 PM   #32
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I believe the steel shed could be converted into a makeshift fraraday cage, but I'm not 100% familiar with the mechanics thereof.



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Old 06-20-2012, 02:27 PM   #33
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Several solutions, here....

"All mechanical" diesel powered vehicle with a manual transmission. I have a '78 F-250 with a 4BT Cummins diesel. As long as I can coast down a hill and pop the clutch in 3rd, it will start and run.

Same for tractors. I have a little Chinese 1-cyl diesel tractor that starts (very easily) with a hand crank. There are no electronics on it.

Gas vehicles: Anything before 1983-1984-ish... that when more ECU's started showing up. Most 80's vehicles can be converted back to plain ol' 70's whatever style with the right parts. The electronic ignition modules from 70's model Ford and GM are plentiful and are very easy to store in a safe place. Make sure you have a few ignition coils, starter and alternators stored as back ups - - and that's it. I have several ignition modules and the electronic "guts" from a whole lotta alternators stored in an old ammo can.

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Old 06-20-2012, 03:10 PM   #34
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The HEI module is VERY versatile.
Print these off for safe keeping....

IN FACT.... with very little mechanical knowledge, you can use a HEI module to make just about any spark-ignition engine run again. I even use one to run my old Onan generator!!

http://www.carbdford.com/tech/HEI/hei.htm

http://home.comcast.net/~loudgpz/GPZweb/Ignition/GPZheiModForPoints.html

http://home.comcast.net/~loudgpz/GPZweb/Ignition/GPZgmHEImod.html

http://home.comcast.net/~loudgpz/GPZweb/Ignition/PickupAndRotor/PickupAndRotor.html

http://home.comcast.net/~loudgpz/GPZweb/Ignition/CBheiMod.html

http://home.comcast.net/~loudgpz/GPZweb/Ignition/CBheiModCavCoil.html

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Old 06-20-2012, 06:06 PM   #35
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I did a little more research on that fraraday cage thing. From what I gather (and this is coming from a rudimentary understanding of EM shielding), if you want to retain ventilation capability, you'll have to fuse or rivet metallic windowscreen over the gap between the vertical sidewall and the roof on the soffit side (where uptake from the soffit vents would occur) in order to create what will behave as a continuous electromagnetic shield. ANy place you have a roof vent, you'll have to similarly attach metallic screening to create a continuous piece where the vent section is. If you have a ridge vent instead of buttons, mushrooms or turbine style vents, you'd probably want to run a continuous roll down the length of the ridge, brace it up, then solder or rivet a metal channel over the seam to create that same continuous surface.
YOu'll have to find some way to "seal" the door. If you have a trolley-style sliding door, shrouding the top down by an extra 6 inches might do it, but I might still be inclined to make some kind of conductive "weatherstripping" to complete the electrical seal around all the sides of the door.
If you have a wooden gradeboard, you'll have to have some way to sink the electrical shielding into the ground by a few inches to use the ground as a "gasket" to keep electromagnetic energy from leaking in. The earth is a notoriously good shield. TO that end, excavating the floor down a foot or so might not be a terrible idea if it's a dirt floor. If it's on a slab, you'll have to find some way to skirt it.

ANd that leaves the door as the weak point.

The most important part by far will be grounding it. FIrst you've gotta make all the pieces electrically continuous. Grounding straps screwed from one panel to the next should make sure that painted surfaces beneath the overlaps between panels don't create a problem with continuuity. Don't forget the roof and all of your trim. Sink a piece of copper- plated conductor bar into the ground. If you can'd do that, wire a couple pieces of re-bar about 4' long together and hammer them in, then electrically attach this thing to the shed.

I think the test will be to take an FM radio inside and if you barely get any reception at all, you win.

Is there anyone else here who *actually* knows what they're talking about who can comment on my wild ramblings?

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Old 06-21-2012, 02:15 AM   #36
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Here's a few links I had saved on EMP's etc:

http://mastersconnection2020.com/index.php/archived-articles/earth-changes/989-protecting-your-electrical-equipment-from-solar-flares

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1996/apjemp.htm

http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/emp_and_faraday_cages.htm

Free online book, Nuclear Survival Skills:
http://www.oism.org/nwss/

For anybody who has a pacemaker: http://solarstorms.org/SPacemakers.html

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Thanks to all. If ignorance is bliss, man I must be one happy fool! Amazing how much one can increase their knowledge in a short with help.
I spent many years teaching elementary students science and we "induced" a current into coiled wire with a magnet, and we had a hand cranked generator spinning a coiled wire inside a magnetic field to induce an electric current. (My way of saying my knowledge is limited.) The references you've given me were read, and left me shaking my head. I'm still in the "twlight zone". I'm still in the "twlight zone". I don'rt know if a solar flare would travel at the speed of electromagnetic waves 30X 10 9th cm per sec at the avr distance from the sun that's a little over 8 minutes so if I wasn't glued to the radio or TV my goose would be cooked and I wouldn't know until it was too late. We use our vehicles and computers and ---. And to say I'm screwed up and abstract random would be an understatement.
We just passed the summer solstace so for the rest of the year (until the winter solatace) the effect of a solar flare will automatically diminish because of the tilt of the Earth. The shape of the Earth must help protect part of it as does the fact we are spinning. Since the number of photons is finite, even though we are starting with a huge number, what happens if 50% are blocked? The Faraday cages block 100%.
Anyhow , thanks for helping a crazy person.



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